Talk:NeuroElectric Therapy

The NeuroElectric Therapy section should be merged with the Cranial Electrotherapy Stimulation article because they are the same thing!

Note from Creator of the article (not researcher or employee of NET)
Intro

This is my first article on Wikipedia. Just heard about this on Richard and Judy (a UK tv chat show thing) yesterday. Found www.drmeg.net. Dhar8062 11:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

My Understanding

I think I understand the principles of NET but since there's only a few papers(Original 1976 http://www.unodc.org/unodc/bulletin/bulletin_1976-01-01_4_page006.html)?? (only two clinical trial results at http://www.net1device.com/results.htm). I'd like to an add original research tag. Dhar8062 11:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It is always a severely bad plan to add an 'original research' tag to your valuable work because this is amounts to an order to have the section or article deleted by one of the wikipedia (WP) deletionists who believe that it is "better" to boldly delete huge quantities of article text (or the entire article) and then watch the article to see if the original author feels strongly enough to revert the bold deletion(s) done.


 * There is a wikipedia policy of "No Original Research" allowed--period. All information presented within WP is supposed to be backed up by a reliable source (reliable referenced information).  Without such references for various article statements / claims, WP deletionists typically put entire articles up (nominate them) for deletion citing that WP:RS was not followed or that the subject lacks notability.  To add a reference you practically have to link only to Pub-Med articles to satisfy the WP:RS (reliable sources) guideline / old policy item because anything less is not taken seriously by medical interest group wikipedians.  To know what words to use to search Pub-Med, you must have a good medical vocabulary, and choose careful keywords for searching so that you get the supporting results for which you are looking.


 * To see how to format such references look at this bunch of text:


 * Robert C. Beck wrote about and presented video lectures about the Beck Protocol.  He died at 77 in 2002 from a head injury from a fall later resulting in cardiac arrest.


 * Notice when you view / edit these discussion paragraphs here that the reference listing is produced by the tag at the end. The references themselves are embedded in the article text and are automatically numbered by the WP system.  The information item fields within each reference / ref help the reader.  Named references can be used to support more than just one statement by providing a (without the extra spacing between each item) to re-use the reference subsequently.  I hope that this helps you in your formatting and authoring here at WP.


 * Note that WP deletionists are always on the lookout to delete something or anything! No need to use WP:OR tags to help them find your great work so that they can come in and delete "it all" for you.


 * Big money interests from the late 1800s and early 1900s like Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Ford dictate today how science and medicine are researched. Big pharma funds med research.  Peer-reviewed med journals publish lots of crappy studies that always favour the funding pharma company's product.  Journals will not publish the legit work of non-medical practitioners such as physicists and engineers.  Cross pollination of scientific and engineering information is too small due to the schooling system setup by the old tax exempt Foundations. Oldspammer 19:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Expert Tag

I've notified the research team through www.drmeg.net that they may want to help this article since NET will have much more exposure as of last night and many families or interested sciency people,if they're like me, will search wikipedia. Dhar8062 11:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you call in an expert about a subject that is not in the mainstream of science or technology (unproven or new at all), the article is apt to be ransacked by deletionists who will stamp out much of what you might have written in your article rather than add to the text of your article. Sometimes they will put in some fact tags, but often they will delete whole sections of text rather than help you find and insert references for your article.  After they put up some fact tags, then you are under time constraints to quickly find reliable source references for the section or paragraph or entire article if so tagged--Then, within a couple of days you might find it all gone if you don't quickly come up with third-party reliable references--not very helpful if you ask me...


 * This happened to me when I was trying to improve an article about Electromagnetic therapy -- A group of deletionists thought the article would be better if taken from about 40 kbytes down to 3 kbytes in size. If you don't want this happening here, then think hard about asking for expert help.


 * Much of this attitude heavily against an engineering / physics solution to medical or biochemistry treatments of disease comes from the Rockefeller foundation, the Carnegie foundation, and the AMA (Incorporated) sponsoring the Flexner Report in 1910 or so. All medical learning institutions teaching anything to do with electro-medicine were suggested to be shutdown as having taught quackery.  Actually the political influence of John D. Rockefeller of Standard Oil was being directly applied.  He had just purchased a pharmaceutical company, and wanted all such competitive (electronic / electro-magnetic) treatments to that of allopathic medicine be shutdown perminently.  The Carnegie foundation was interested in education standardization so that certain subjects taught in schools and universities are given specific treatment or left out altogether.  Certain areas of existing science, math, and engineering were taboo so that only military industrial complex members were permitted access to such arcane knowledge.  For example, the experimental research of Nikola Tesla who was the inventor of AC motors, AC generators, multi-phase transformers, long distance electrical power distribution, radio, radar, and through the air transmission of electrical power--(the last item against the express desires of one J. P. Morgan--one time Tesla financial supporter).  Note that Tesla's literature and lab notes and prototypes were all collected by "men in black" hours after Tesla was found dead.  Unexplainable Tesla experimental results were not to be investigated further by anyone.  Tesla coils were said to be used in the Philadelphia experiment.  Effects described in the experiment are identical to those replicated by Canadian physics researcher John Kenneth Hutchison known as the Hutchison effect.


 * Apparently, Tesla in the late 1800s discovered cold electricity. E.V. Gray in the 1960s through 1990s patented and demonstrated "cold electric" engines and generators that ran partly on energy from the vacuum.   Tesla's experiments showed that at low frequency that his DC pulsed cold electricity was painful and penetrated everything that with which he tried to shield himself.  At middle frequencies different effects were presented.  At very much higher frequencies the opposite sensations than the pain induced happened, i.e., a sense of health and well-being, etc, happened.  Tesla probably passed on this information to Georges Lakhovsky and probably helped Lakhovsky build his Multiple Wave Oscillator cancer treatment device.  According to internet sources that according to WP deletionists are not reliable sources, Lakhovsky treated terminal cancer patients for years with a very high success rate.


 * Project HAARP is probably based somewhat on Tesla's experimental findings. Oldspammer 19:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Related Proposal

Although a different project and much more developed than Neuro Electrical therapy, Neuro Emotional Technique may possibly be slightly connected in their principles but I'm very unsure.

Current Status

I haven't written the article yet, would like to wait for site admin/researcher/PR to contact me and clear up my understanding of NET and whether NET-1000 is the device created by Dr. Meg Patterson and whether this is related to Dhar8062 11:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I have been emailed by Joe Winston who has given the ok for me to start the article and directed me to http://www.NETdevice.net/, device manufacturer.Dhar8062 23:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Information on NeuroElectric Therapy
Joe Winston passed on the information about the new Wikipedia entry, and I'm prepared to help with information and links. Although I qualify as an expert source, as Meg Patterson's son I have both personal and commercial conflict-of-interest. It seems that I should post through the talk page and leave it to the original article poster to include information as s/he sees fit, correct? Seanpat 16:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

January 1983 Omni Magazine Article Information
User:Oldspammer/Robert C. Beck at a point about 40% through the article: Oldspammer 16:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Redirect
Sorry, but this just seems to be a brand name for Cranial electrotherapy stimulation and could serve as a POV-fork. It has been tagged with multiple issues for a long time and therefore I am redirecting it. Famousdog (talk) 09:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I support the redirect. Verbal chat  04:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As no one has provided RS that this is a notable, non WP:FRINGE, field in it's own right - I've restored the redirect as this is a non-notable POV-fork. Verbal chat  21:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Article Update
Sorry, about any clumsiness on my part here. I am just working through data entry Wiki style :-) Any expertise on how I can keep this page moving forward with improved content that it is deemed as missing would be great! I used the undo feature to once again revive this important page about NET, NeuroElectric Therapy Unlike CES, which is indicated solely anxiety and stress. NET specifically targets addictive behaviors. Please note that just because they are both trans-cranial does not mean that they have the same mechanism of action. There have been several trials documenting multiple countries over the past 2-years that support its effectiveness. NET is also quite current & newsworthy as NET has been reported on in severalpapers, magazines, TV, & radio. I will read through the notes that have been added to the article to try to improve asap. Again, any help or pointing in the right direction would be great to provide the best info in the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plaidfrog (talk • contribs) 18:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)