Talk:Nevada Test Site/Archive 1

Yucca Mountain
Isn't Yucca Mountain located on the Nevada Test Site? --mav — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mav (talk • contribs) 21:24, 29 December 2002 (UTC)

DOE reference
For future Wikipedians, there is a great DOE reference listing nuclear tests at — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wnissen (talk • contribs) 14:06, 19 August 2004 (UTC)

Weapon versus device
This article pretty uniformly refers to the testing of weapons, when really both weapons and devices were tested at NTS. A weapon would refer to a nuclear device that was actually designed and implemented for use in warfare, such as a warhead for a missile or a bomb that could be loaded into an airplane. A device could be a prototype or something that created an explosion for scientific or testing purposes.

A lot of weapons were tested at NTS, as they were being developed and the military needed to practice their deployment and use. But a lot of tests at NTS were scientific, and the devices they used were not of the sort that could be quickly loaded into the bomb bay of a B-52 and hauled into combat duty.

I realize the semantics of the "all nuclear explosions are bad and therefore are weapons", but it's also important to note that NTS wasn't just a parking lot where the army lit off existing nuclear weapons just to see what would happen. --Jkonrath 18:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure anyone is using the term to be pejorative. On NTS's website, the phrase "nuclear weapons testing" is used consistently to describe their overall mission and testing programs; "nuclear device" is used to refer to individual test charges, though almost always only in regards to Plowshares tests. While it is true that a large amount of testing was not of deliverable weapons, I do not think the distinction between a nuclear weapon and a nuclear device is very clear, and I don't think it is worth fretting over much. --Fastfission 16:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Those comments seem illogical; did this page ever claim that "all nuclear explosions are bad and therefore are weapons" ? That might be a worthy claim {likely is}; but, the pov seems to be worthy of commentary.

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I, hereby, advocate that
thiis would link to:

Montebello_Islands;

Monte Bello;

Operation_Hurricane;

Maralinga%2c_South_Australia;

British_nuclear_tests_at_Maralinga.

These webpages claim to have been updated, revised, in 2001:

< http://anawa.org.au/sa/honeymoon.html >;

< http://anawa.org.au/news/honeymoon-approve.html >.

These pages refer to a "liquid nuclear waste dump" @ "Honeymoon uranium mine"; which is also mentioned regarding Jeannie_Lewis, Australian musician.

On < http://anawa.org.au >, there is a quote that "We can either remain in the frying pan of coal, jump into the fire of nuclear, or extinguish the flames with renewables".

That quote seems pov; however, I think that it is sufficiently demonstrably true that it should be in the articles.

Thank You.

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Regarding that very top comment, I see that there is a caption of "The Yucca Flat area of the Nevada Test Site is scarred with subsidence craters from underground nuclear testing."

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1992 - Present
I altered the sentence in the 1992 - Present section which read: "Additionally, all image taking devices are prohibited, and tour members are required to wear Dosimeters." I added that no communication devices are allowed either, and I removed the second half of the sentence which stated that tour participants wear dosimeters. I went on the tour, and the only person on the bus who wore a dosimeter was the guide. Missile test, July 7, 2007.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Missile test (talk • contribs) 17:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

DHS
Doesn't the DHS use NTS to prove its nuclear detection systems? I'd like to see some info about that here. Rwflammang (talk) 00:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Distance from Las Vegas
I checked the distance from the GPS coordinates cited in the first sentence to several points in Las Vegas using Google Maps and several GPS distance tools on the web. I found the distance to the nortwest area of Las Vegas to be very close to 40 miles. 40 miles converts to 65 kilometers - I suspect a unit conversion error. Anyone for a head-check that the first sentence should read "... about 40 miles (65 km) northwest ..."? Netpilot (talk) 21:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I entered Las Vegas and Mercury, Nevada into mapquest.com for driving directions and got a little over 70 miles of driving, the last 6.6 of which are not charted, because they are inside NTS. 65 miles doesn't seem so far outside reality. Binksternet (talk) 22:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that's from Las Vegas City Hall to the middle of Mercury. It would be less if the edge of Vegas was set as the starting point, and more if the middle of NTS was set as the endpoint. Binksternet (talk) 22:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Aerial photos by Doc Searles
I recently added a link to Nevada Test Site aerial photos by Doc Searles, all licensed Creative Commons.

Another editor reverted, commenting "no need for Flickr link." I disagree. Recent aerial photos of the Test Site aren't common, CC-free licensed ones even less so. Restored. --Pete Tillman (talk) 04:41, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. While we're discussing photos, sizes beyond the standard thumbnail of 220 pixels wide are not normally used, but if there is a good reason for it, WP:IMGSIZE says the max width is 400 pixels. Regarding credit for Searls, the WP image credit policy is to restrict it to the image file page. Binksternet (talk) 09:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Image size: panoramas are treated differently. I should go back and redo the striking File:Yucca Flat.jpg photo. The low view angle really brings out the subsidence craters. Too bad the airplane window wasn't cleaner.


 * Looking at Searles's photo again, I'm struck by the oval plan of the bomb-test area, mimicking the oval shape of the closed valley, but rotated uphill -- presumably because the UG excavation crews (& contractors) preferred not to work in strongly-alkaline groundwater.


 * As for my bona fides & FYI: I worked in the area in the middle-80's, trying to make a gold mine out of the old Montgomery-Shoshone at Rhyolite. As we were on file as an active UG mine, the Test Site sent over someone for the first few shots to make sure everyone was out of the mine for the blast. I don't recall ever feeling a test. Our military excitement was A-10 Warthogs from Nellis, who liked to use our mine as a mock-strafing target. Quite something to see the A-10s below you from the top of Montgomery Mtn (which is just a hill). I used to chat with A-10 aircrew, when we were all flying back to Tucson (where I & they were based). They all loved their plane & its Big Gun, and bemoaned that they got no respect from the USAF, hot fighter-jocks to the core. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Opening comments
Isn't Yucca Mountain located on the Nevada Test Site? --mav
 * It is visible on google maps/Earth in Area 25. It is noted on the Area 25 section. 143.232.210.150 (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

For future Wikipedians, there is a great DOE reference listing nuclear tests at Johnherrick (talk) 17:42, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction
The infobox says "925+" nuclear tests. But the text says 928 in 1951-1992. Something is wrong. --Ysangkok (talk) 16:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The precise count of tests is in partially off because not every test necessarily involved explosions/explosive yields. 143.232.210.150 (talk) 00:06, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Area 25 other use
Next to NERVA program used USAF the Area 25 for "Buried-Trench Mobility" proposal on MX-ICBM several undergrund tunnels were 4 MX-container were moved and simulated launch true the ground http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7t6JLdaNC0&NR=1 to found at 36°42'43.65"N  116°23'17.02"W. 80.201.156.66 (talk) 14:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Area 25 already covers this. Bomazi (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Project Pluto Error
in WIki test stay that Area 25 was used for Test of Project Pluto, All Test were made in Area 26 ! the Testsite for Tory A was at 36°49'33.24"N 116° 8'38.25"W in middle of Area 26. south west of Teststand lies test assembly building south of that the storage site for used engine it's easy to fing on Goggle Earth. 80.201.156.66 (talk) 14:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You are correct. The coordinates given correspond to the test site and are in Area 26. A possible source is Draft Site-Wide Environmental Impact Statement Nevada. I made the change here and in Area 25. Bomazi (talk) 23:49, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Which Area was the Plowshare/Buggy trench (channel)?
The sedan event crater is noted, but not the Buggy trenching experiment. 143.232.210.150 (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Area 30. I added this. Bomazi (talk) 00:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's at 37.0078,-116.3718, west of center of Area 30. SkoreKeep (talk) 05:32, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Requested move (2014)

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The result of the move request was: moved. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Nevada National Security Site → Nevada Test Site – WP:COMMONNAME. While the official name of the location is "Nevada National Security Site", the site's common name in English is (and will be for as long as can be foreseeably forseen) "Nevada Test Site". The Bushranger One ping only 06:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Support per usage In ictu oculi (talk) 11:01, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. This is a case where the old name is still very loose in the wild.  When someone uses the new name, everybody responds, 'Oh, you mean the test site?'  If renamed, the redirects will need to be reviewed.  We should retain them for both names but only include the required categories and the NTS ones. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. Common name half life is long. Binksternet (talk) 23:56, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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The Conqueror
Binksternet removed a paragraph about cancer purportedly killing a major part of the cast and crew of a Howard Hughes production of The Conqueror, a movie filmed near St. George, Utah during atmospheric bomb testing in the nearby NTS, with the explanation that it is not mentioned on the cancer.org website. However, since John Wayne, John Hoyt, Susan Hayword, Agnes Moorehead and Dick Powell, the director, have all died of cancer, it has become rather famous as a purported downwinder story. I think it is sufficiently notable to be included in a section entitled The NTS and cancer. I'll restore and edit it. SkoreKeep (talk) 01:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Your restoration didn't fix anything. The problem is two-fold: First is that the bit about the cast dying of cancer is not cited, and it even has an unanswered fact tag. The second problem is that the cancer.org website says nothing about the film crew or their deaths, so putting these two bits together is a violation of WP:SYNTH. With two strikes against it, and in light of the assertion that the "downwinder story" does not stand out from the normal statistics, the whole paragraph is not worth keeping. If you intend to keep the paragraph then you must find someone who says specifically that the cast deaths are roughly equal to the general population. Binksternet (talk) 01:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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If I believe my late father may be entitled to benefits, how do I provide evidence that he was present during onsite underground testing? Does the VA have records of this? he served in the US navy beginning in 1944, was in the Army Air Corps, ultimately the USAF as a fighter pilot in Korea and Viet Nam. Was involved in the nuclear weapons program while stationed in Albuquerque and was present during testing in Nevada. He died of COPD and complications of non hodgkins lymphoma. He was Director of Safeguard and Security of nuclear Weapons at the Atomic Energy Commission and DOE as both a USAF Colonel and as a SES civilian. I have a certificate from the Nevada test site acknowledging his participation, is that enough?

Thank you for any guidance you may provide, Lynn Caudle Pendleton, 15113 Rosecroft Road Rockville MD 20853 lboynton@debelius.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.91.249 (talk) 20:32, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 16 February 2019

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The result of the move request was: clear consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 22:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Nevada Test Site → Nevada National Security Site – name of facility changed 2607:FEA8:4D1F:FF84:6072:D2B6:AEAE:B013 (talk) 18:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Object to speedy move WP:OFFICIALNAME, we don't just use the official one. Further "Nevada Proving Grounds" is pretty popular -- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:17, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose WP:UCN -- the common name is "Nevada Test Site"; "Nevada National Security Site" and "Nevada Proving Grounds" are of similar popularity, less than that of the current title, "Nevada Test Site" -- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 00:24, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment this was discussed before at -- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 00:25, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * PINGING participants of the last move request -- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 00:28, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not much has changed since the last move request in 2014. The new official name has not established itself stronger than the old name, so the old name is still the common name. Binksternet (talk) 05:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not much has changed since the last move request in 2014, as above In ictu oculi (talk) 19:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. WP:COMMONNAME still applies, just as it did when the page was moved from the proposed title. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:00, 19 February 2019 (UTC)


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