Talk:Never Ending Tour

Removal of statement from the Roadhouse
I have twice removed the little blurb seen in these two diffs: This statement is clearly inappropriate. Wikipedia is not the place to issue public statements. If the Roadhouse wishes to release the statements, they should use other forums, most notable, their website. Taken straight from WP:NOTSOAP, Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so. Apparition11  Complaints / Mistakes  22:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Return of Charlie Sexton
I added this in the "Band"-section. In order to do so, I had to rearrange the mentioned musicians a bit, so please check whether this is acceptable. I also added another Rolling Stone-quote. Andy Pipkin (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Bob Dylan Tour dates
Here's the listing of shows/tour dates for Bob Dylan. http://www.bobdylan.com/#/tour —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.189.53 (talk) 19:10, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

My opinion. But having the long list of show dates stuck on the end of the article seems not good. Better might be to direct readers to http://www.bobdylan.com/#/tour as an external link for tour dates since to make this list comprenesive it would require over 2000 lines. I think what would be good is the inclusion of line-up notes for the different incarnations of the never ending tour band.Darrell Wheeler (talk) 23:35, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Just coming back again to the subject of this long list of dates. It's my opinion that is not really required in the article. I believe it should be deleted based on []bullet point number 7,and replaced by an external link to the site listed above. I would normally just BE BOLD and make the edit but it's clear that some editors have put a lot of effort into this one. I'll let this comment sit for a while and if there is no discussion I'm going to make the edit.Darrell Wheeler (talk) 20:43, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the "Tour Dates" sections should have templates added to them; this makes them much more accessible, and spreads the information out. Right now, all of the dates are so cramped together that you really can't navigate through them well. There are several other templates on tour pages (The Beatles' 1966 U.S. Tour, Bob Dylan World Tour 1966) that seem to work very well with this kind of setup. The Gates of Eden (talk) 21:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Legs?
UHH. What are these leg counts in the table? Maybe a clarification is needed? Because I have no idea what that means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.252.2.195 (talk) 14:16, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

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New Touring Band Members October 2019
I don't know how to edit images on Wikipedia, but I noted on the page for the 2019 Never Ending Tour page the member changes/additions. Sorry if "Talk" is not the place to suggest edits, but hopefully someone who knows how to edit those member timelines can do that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Ending_Tour_2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.0.192 (talk) 17:21, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Time for this to end
Dylan has announced his tour dates for 2021. First of all, the new tour dates seemed to be associated with his new album, the Rough and Rowdy Ways Tour. Secondly, aside from new branding, 2020 was not a touring year, and the "never ending tour" ended then. The argument that dates from that tour postponed till this year don't really hold water, as that would be an argument applicable to a tour with a set name and concept, not a series of tours defined solely the annual nature of them. So my vote is to call the tour finished. SweetTaylorJames (talk) 05:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Dylan's tried before to end the usage of "never ending tour" to describe his endless touring. The NET keeps NETing. It's not up to him or you to end it. There are news sources that continue to call it the NET, notably the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel prior to Dylan's kickoff of this latest leg of the NET. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.159.134.225 (talk) 17:56, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Tour over or not?
There is precedent for continued use of the term "Never Ending Tour" after the announcement of named tours. See sourced reference to Dylan's liner notes for World Gone Wrong and 2013 Never Ending Tour entry which states, "A summer tour of the US was announced in April 2013 called the Americanarama Festival of Music." The recent break in touring is due to a pandemic, which is out of Dylan's control. Mballt (talk) 17:50, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair points, I will state the opposing view. The recent break in touring being out of Dylan's control technically does not affect it one way or the other, as it seems that the Never Ending concept was specifically in relation to the consecutive years of touring (otherwise any artist who continues to tour sporadically would be on a never ending tour). As for the previous names, I know that some of Dylan's tours were named retroactively, maybe some other editors could give their viewpoints as to what constitutes a leg. But the one thing that is for sure is that even if we have consensus to change the Never Ending Tour concept back to an ongoing thing, we shouldn't refer to the new tour as a leg. We'll find another way to describe it. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 20:26, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Consensus would have been fun to have in the first place before someone decided by a self-vote of one that it was time to end the Never Ending Tour. Please find a source that states, "the Never Ending concept was specifically in relation to the consecutive years of touring". I'm not aware of stated rules for what constitutes the Never Ending Tour, so my guess that it's whenever Dylan is able to tour is just as valid unless you have a source that states otherwise. His pre-announced, named tour in 2013 did not bring about an end to the Never Ending Tour. Will you be making a standalone article for the 2013 tour? Maybe do that and leave this article alone, then there can be a meta verse for named tours coexisting with the ongoing Never Ending Tour. Mballt (talk) 21:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think making a page for the 2013 tour would be a good idea if it was notable, I'm not sure if it is. But ultimately, given that the Never Ending Tour was a fan/media creation in the first place, I think what we will need to find are contemporaneous articles that show a preference one way or the other as to whether or not the 2021 tour is connected to the never ending tour. Also, bring the tone down, it's Wikipedia. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 21:37, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of contemporaneous sources that continue to call the tour the NET. Rolling Stone and USA Today have both continued to call the ongoing touring the NET. The original edit to end the NET was based on opinion and false information. I'd welcome the introduction of any fact based information or reputable sources to support the opposing viewpoint. Does anyone have any to add? Mballt (talk) 06:01, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * With sources, I wouldn't object to the Never Ending Tour being listed as still a thing. I wouldn't vote for it, but I'll withdraw my vote against it unless someone were to express support for that preference. The main thing would be to write the article in such a way that makes it clear that the tour is a media concept/cultural phenomenon, so it would be best to not refer to tours as legs, and to leave other touring pages such as Rough and Rowdy as they are. Beyond that I'd say leave the discussion open for a day or two, but after that if no one objects I don't mind either way. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 07:04, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Previous edits provided more accurate information while providing a complete section on Dylan's indifference/disdain for the NET. Now a third of that section has been tacked into the intro. Band info is now inaccurate, referring to the 2019 lineup as the final one, as is total number of shows and legs. I welcome discussion over the next few days before editing. Mballt (talk) 04:12, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The band info can be updated, as well as shows/legs, if no one objects, I don't care one way or the other. The only thing I think is necessary for the lead paragraph is something less vague than referring to his never ending schedule, making it explicitly clear that the page "The Never Ending Tour" is in reference to a media phenomenon, rather than an actual tour, which will save arguments in the future, as it acknowledges both perceived ongoing phenomenon as well as the existence of official tours such as Rough & Rowdy Ways, etc. I think some reference to the fact that Dylan doesn't consider it a tour is necessary in the intro, but moving that information was just a suggestion, it can be moved back with a newly fine-tuned intro that makes everything unambiguous. My other suggestion is that that in the info box we can use the term "legs", but we shouldn't refer to actual tours as legs in the body, to avoid confusion. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 07:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, part of the reason given for the original edit ending the NET is a "new tour being given an official name for the first time over 30 years" which is false.Mballt (talk) 21:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Mballt. Mainstream media reports - Rolling Stone and USA Today - continue to refer to Dylan's ongoing tour, including the 2021 performances, as part of his Never Ending Tour. Mick gold (talk) 15:53, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Charlie sexton vocals
It should be added that Charlie section sang backup vocal with Larry until he departed at the end of the fall 2002 tour. Also if his gap in time. Kaitflower (talk) 00:43, 16 August 2022 (UTC)