Talk:Never Gonna Give You Up/Archive 1

Astley responds to the internet meme?

 * The below by --213.202.188.251 is an example of RickRoll, or basic social engineering, or playing on people's belief/gullibility. Surely the "RickRoll" meme phenomenon would go under these items, just as Tubgirl and goatse, however they are known over the internet, where as a RickRoll is only known amongst a community visiting one site. Miles 2397 22:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Except that it's spread to many community sites, and become an internet phenom. You can't waive the cultural impact of goatse or tubgirl just because it's "on the internet" and you don't like it. I think RickRolling is relevant to either this or the primary Astley page. Anonymous 04:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we could get verification from this interview where Rick discusses the phenomenon where people link to his video on YouTube. It might be relevant to his other article. --213.202.188.251 23:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Argh, duckrolled! Snarfies 02:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sir, you are a genius. Liu Bei 13:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha, ha ha, very funny. I'm tempted to delete it out of my obligatory duty to Wiki, but nah, I approve. Casull 02:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

So, this is the Rick Roll song? I'm assuming since I just reverted a very dedicated and constructive vandal who replaced everything with RICK ROLL? Userpie 19:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

s:This is the Rickroll song. And personally, I've always liked this song. I think maybe we ought to consider adding "Rickrolling" to the article? Maybe? There's a whole friggin' article on the Dancing Banana. I don't see the need for a separate article on "rickrolling" (or duckrolling, shrimprolling), but maybe I'm wrong... "rickroll" currently redirects here. Snarfies 01:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

RULES 1 AND 2 PEOPLE!! Which, incidentally, don't refer to memes. gb2/lurking/

>don't refer to memes Seconded.

>don't refer to memes Seconded. Thirded.
 * What makes you think an anonymous sub-culture, such as an imageboard, is honestly bound by any of those rules? Even if they were slightly respected, why would you expect them to apply at all to Wikipedia? --Android Mouse 03:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

the "rules" in that picture(the rules are a Meme by itself) are called "rules of the Internet". http://i17.tinypic.com/6fkjbe1.jpg MidNiteNeko 11:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

What retard said this?
"STOP ADDING THE "RICKROLL" PART; GET A REFERENCE OR SHUT UP ALSO RULES 1 AND 2 FAGS". That's ridiculous. Look at the fool things people frequently add in Trivia, usually with no references. Rickrolling should definitely be in this article. Wikipedia is supposed to be the encyclopedia that ISN'T held back by codgy old naysayers. Wtf is this? 24.159.60.51 04:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling that the "RULES 1 AND 2" references 4chan.com's rules, which are something like the Fight Club rules where you're not supposed to talk about it. I guess they're worried that more unintelligent people would chime in on their already unintelligent threads. The fags part, however.... I wish I knew how to report. That seems a little out of line >.<Jklharris 07:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

The thing about Rules 1 and 2 for 4chan relating to this is that they don't want people finding out the meme is from there and joining their community because of it. They'd much rather people just thought it originated from the World of Warcraft forums rather than get the publicity for it.81.86.117.129 14:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Removing trivia and uncited rumors
I don't see the reason to include the following trivia in the article:
 * The rock band Nickelback has recorded a cover of this song to be put on their upcoming album.
 * The show Family Guy referenced this song in the episode "Meet the Quagmires" when Brian played the song at a dance in 1984 and, in :reference to the movie Back to the Future, Rick Astley's "cousin", Marvin, called Rick to show him the song.
 * The show "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" referenced this song in the episode "Charlie Has Cancer" when it is sung by Dennis :Reynolds while driving.
 * The show "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" referenced this song in the episode "Charlie Has Cancer" when it is sung by Dennis :Reynolds while driving.
 * The show "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" referenced this song in the episode "Charlie Has Cancer" when it is sung by Dennis :Reynolds while driving.

I could see the first sentence staying in the article, if it were cited. Without a citation it is nothing more than speculation, which means it shouldn't be here. The second and third sentence are akin to the rampant Simpsons cultural references that are in so many articles. It has previously been discussed and shown a consensus for removing such unnotable factoids from articles on WP:VP. --Android Mouse 20:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

dead meme is DEAD ('cept it's not)
The whole rickroll thing is pretty much dead now. Might as well remove it. lancelottjones 15:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've seen it numerous times in the last few days. Thunk 00:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The perfect way tokill a meme. Just say it's dead. Kip the Dip 05:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * When did you ever think Rick Rolling was dead? I see it ALL the time. Doshindude (talk) 16:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * "Strongly Oppose I see no reliable sources on this. lancelottjones 21:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)" -If you have reliable sources that the phenomenon is dead, then please, remove it.  Zchris87v  23:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Yahoo! answers reference for rickroll
A better reference needs to be provided. Yahoo! answers is no more reliable than Urban Dictionary. --OnoremDil 03:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, I only put it on the article for a temporary solution until something better was found, although there may not be anything better to replace it with, in which case it should probably be removed. --Android Mouse 07:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed the information as a non-notable neologism whose significance is unverifiable. DarkSaber2k 13:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I support that. In spite of the fact that many of us may personally know what "rickroll" is, anecdotal evidence is not a reliable source.  Until one is found that demonstrates notability the inclusion of the meme here is not really acceptable. Ark yan  &#149; (talk) 14:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If only the SPAs at Rick Astleys main article could understand that.... DarkSaber2k 08:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

http://www.wigantoday.net/the-goss?articleid=2959023 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.48.204.53 (talk • contribs)

I'm adding the section back with the new link posted above. If anyone has objections, feel free to discuss. --Android Mouse 19:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Yup, evidence of yer own eyes is never good enough for the Wikipedia. In fact, unless you have been mentioned in the NYT, you just another instance of frivilous vandalism, not a real person. Get over it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.103.213 (talk) 08:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Origin
Does anyone know the origin of the Rick'roll? 148.100.219.158 04:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It started on 4chan´s /v/ imageboard. - !Malomeat 00:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

No It started on Gamefaqs... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.237.183.164 (talk) 09:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

>>Gamefag  lol, dream on. And I can actually back this up, I screencapped the first rickroll. It was born on the release day of gta4 trailer on the /v/ board. Encylopediadramatica.com/rickroll (oh shi-!) Skion 09:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

>>lol /v/irgin, I have proof that this meme is the work of /mu/ http://i17.tinypic.com/6fkjbe1.jpg -Anonymous

Requested move
This article has been renamed from Never Gonna Give You Up (song) to Never Gonna Give You Up as the result of a move request. - restore to original name as no real need for dab page. Keith D (talk) 23:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I am requesting that this page be returned to its original namespace at Never Gonna Give You Up, replacing the disambiguation page recently created there. The disambiguation page, which was created without any discussion or support, has only three entries: this song, another song with a similar title (Never, Never Gonna Give You Up), and a TV episode named after the song (which does not even have its own article and is already mentioned in the song article). These can be more appropriately disambiguated at the top of the song article, as was the case before the page was moved.

Please share your thoughts below. InnocuousPseudonym (talk) 04:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * But, why don't have disambiguation? -- MisterWiki humour   talking! :-D  - 18:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It did have disambiguation. There were already disambiguation links at the top of the page. There simply isn't a need for a separate disambiguation page when the only things to be disambiguated are, at most, 1) a different song with a similar title, and 2) a TV episode which does not even have its own article. These can be disambiguated compactly at the top of the page instead of requiring all users (the bulk of whom are looking for the article on the song) to click through a separate, unnecessary disambiguation page. InnocuousPseudonym (talk) 20:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Cultura Obscura: Rickrolling
This could be added to the article. Cirt (talk) 09:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

rickroll & family guy
someone should probably say how this sing was prominantly placed in a family guy episode reffering to the song as "a song written by a gay guy" which placed the song back into the spotlight and resulted in a contemporary "rick rolling" fad. i would do it myself but i am lazy as hell and enjoy commanding other -c76.48.204.53 07:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There needs to be a citation that states that the family guy episode is what spurred the meme. --Android Mouse 19:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Rickroll was happening way before Family Guy used the song. The meme is born from the less widespread Duckroll meme, it had nothing to do with Family Guy.
 * Family Guy rick roll'd us all, so I added it under popular culture. --IMandIR 21:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately someone thinks this isn't notable enough somehow, despite quite possibly being the most mainstream attention the song has received since its heyday. 71.139.184.80 07:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that person is wrong lol. --IMandIR (talk) 00:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Why, despite the consensus, does the article still claim that Family Guy started it all? This statement is misleading if not uninformed. Lbgrowl (talk) 00:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "Meet the Quagmires", the episode of Family Guy featuring "Never Gonna Give You Up", first aired on May 20, 2007. Google Trends shows Rickroll first peaking at almost exactly the same time. (For what it's worth, the ED article on rickroll was created on June 13.) This is all circumstantial evidence, however. InnocuousPseudonym (talk) 06:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe Family Guy was just cashing in on the popularity of "Rickrolling"?Rusober (talk) 02:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A search on Google's usenet archive shows a message using the term on May 14th, 2007. http://groups.google.com/group/wowshamanclass/msg/d1f5ee8243f122e5?dmode=source  So it clearly predates the family guy episode.  --Xyzzyplugh (talk) 09:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Number of Times
"As a result, two instances of the video have received over 3 million hits each as of the end of November 2007."

Three as of December. (http://www.xkcd.com/351/) 207.134.166.42 (talk) 21:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

xkcd has rickrolled again. (http://xkcd.com/396/) --Bassaf (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, xkcd had another, "hidden" rickroll in Keeping Time. Very well done. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 21:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Potential references
I've seen a few mainstream media articles about "rickrolling", however, one of the common objections that seems to be coming up is that there's no reputable sources. With any luck these can be used to improve the article too (though do be careful when clicking links here, for obvious reasons...) Jivlain (talk) 15:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The Guardian http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2266526,00.html
 * That's a good source, I've added it to the article as an external link, so at least the article does list a decent source. It should be incorporated into the article better in place of some of the references we now have, probably.  --Xyzzyplugh (talk) 17:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Los Angeles Times WebScout
 * 202.161.71.161 (talk) 00:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

EASTERN WASHINGTON "RICKROLL" A FAKE
New to wikipedia so I have no idea how to do it, but someone may want to edit as the "rickroll" story that made the NY Times was a prank. The video posted was actually compiled of clips from several games. See story here http://www.khq.com/global/story.asp?s=8063968 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.143.146.229 (talk) 18:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Since this particular incident has been debunked I removed the sentence and image describing it from the article and moved the NYT reference so the article is cited as an example of mainstream media coverage of the rickroll phenomenon. InnocuousPseudonym (talk) 06:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the KHQ story is largely not correct. They say that the NYT article is completely false and that the basketball game never got rickrolled, yet you can see in the video several shots showing both the Rick Astley impersonator and the crowd at the same time. The most obvious shot being several times in the video where he is seen dancing from a high vantage point, and the crowd is clearly visible in the bleachers. Most likely the "false editing" referred to is the merging of shots of the cheerleaders dancing "in time" with the music, and perhaps different signs were held at different games but put in the same video. I will be adding back reference to the rickrolling if there are no objections, but leaving out references to the cheerleaders, signs, and so forth. Z00r (talk) 07:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. InnocuousPseudonym (talk) 16:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Truth takes a backseat to verifiability, or so everyone keeps saying. The fact that the NYT wrote an article on it supercedes whether the event actually occurred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.43.32.85 (talk) 14:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

The guy who made the video very clearly says it was a fake. He's obviously very good at video editing and has superimposed the dancing guy into the video. He pulls clips of the crowd and cheerleaders dancing, people looking confused, and even a clip of someone appearing to turn, look at him, and laugh when all the while he is not there. The song played briefly during one game, but not while anyone was dancing to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.143.146.229 (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Instead of just removing that paragraph outright, it should be described, and then followed-up by the KHQ article. Cirt (talk) 12:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "Pawley says it was all clever editing to make a viewer think he had interrupted a timeout in the basketball game." I don't think you are interpreting this quote correctly. This refers to the timing of the rickrolling - meaning, it was done at halftime or before the game started or something instead of allegedly iterrupting the game during a timeout. Adding the guy in all the clips shown with such accuracy would require a level of skill not seen outside professional movie studios. There are also people in the crowd seen turning and looking at the guy, which further confirms that he really was there. Z00r (talk) 21:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It also doesn't make any sense - why carefully videotape people in the crowd to look at just the right moment and then several days of work doing very detailed and careful video editing when you could just actually do the rickroll? I'm leaning with the NYT on this one. Z00r (talk) 21:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

With respect to the recent edits - I removed information about the "NYT hoax", as that is not actually relevant to rickrolling, and updated the paragraph to be consistent with the NYT article AND the updated statement on the article page where they discuss the "hoax". According to the new info, the rickrolling happened at the beginning of 4 games, and was edited together into 1 video, and this is how it is written in the article right now. Z00r (talk) 20:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Man you're a killjoy!
I come to the wikipedia to find out wtf Rickrolling is about, and some joyless sod has removed the link. "Cos it has no place on a formal Encyclopedia". Lighten up. The is the 'net, not the hallowed halls of Encyclopedia Brittanica. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.103.213 (talk) 08:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoever you are -- you are great. --Samvscat (talk) 08:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Rickrolling a basketball game discussed in The New York Times

 * Check that out. Cirt (talk) 06:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Check that out. Cirt (talk) 06:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Check again. It was a hoax. The update on the story confirms it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.113.188 (talk) 08:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The Academic Rickroll
An interesting take on the growing phenomenon. Cirt (talk) 01:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

To meme or not to meme, that is the question
Should we include the meme? Seriously. If you don't know what it is, it's something from somewhere, maybe 4chan, where you post a seemingly related youtube link to a music video for this song. This is called Rick rolling, rick roll'd, etc. Now, let's be stop this edit war. I'm no sysop but I'll gladly be bold and start this discussion. Userpie 18:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC) 
 * The following discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.  No further edits should be made to this page.

I'm closing this poll because a mention of the meme has been in the article (with a reference) for some time now. --Android Mouse 19:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Support
-- Steve Irwin died. Did his article? no.
 * Support Memes are encyclopedic content. I'd hate to use the Pokemon defense, but if we have an article for every Pokemon, why can't we include a paragraph about something exrremely popular in GameFAQs, the World of Warcraft forums, etc.? Userpie 18:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Support Some people want to know, if nothing else then for "lulz" and if the meme dies, then the artical can die. Whatever.  Suya 22:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support If there are small articles on stupid creatures from anime shows, this should have a line 81.178.238.148 22:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support if reliable sources can be found discussing the meme. --Kurt Shaped Box 22:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support as a part of the article on "Never Gonna Give You Up". Obviously the meme is losing steam, but even if it ended today it'll be months on the "effected" sites before people will click on any link, let alone a Youtube link, and not expect to see this video come up. Jklharris 09:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support If Dragonball AF, one of the oldest, glorified memes in anime culture can sustain an article here, so too can the references to the Astley meme. An impending cover by Nickleback on their next album and the cover of the song on Family Guy will also sustain the meme.

Dr. R.KZ. 11:20  23rd May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Where did you get the Nickleback info from? Because that can be turned into an actual citation. Snarfies 12:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The Nickleback info came from this very article.


 * The article says Nickelback is recording a cover. What does it have to do with "rickrolling?" Snarfies 12:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Dr. R.KZ. 13:31 23rd May 2007

It'll sustain the meme. Band covers song currently popular, you'll hear "Nickrickroll"

Dr. R.KZ. 20:05 23rd May 2007


 * Support 45,000 google hits from a wide variety of sources, including non-English ones. Okay, nothing "official" (unless you count http://answers.yahoo.com), but to deny the existance of "rickroll" would seem foolish.  "Rules 1 and 2" need not be violated, if you're somebody concerned about that sort of thing. Snarfies 12:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support Rickroll, and the rickrollers are valid entities on the internet and even if this only comes out to be a stub, we should at least mention it as a reference to internet pop-culture.


 * Support - When I keep hearing about some Rickroll thing, guess where I first went to loop up what the hell was going on? Wikipedia. We've got plenty of information on memes. I don't see any reason not to include this pretty notable fad regarding what would otherwise be just your everyday old and dead pop single. --Nintendorulez talk 20:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support Rick Rolling isn't going to stop because a few people on Wikipedia don't want to acknowledge its existence. Its out there, it happens. No one denies this. Therefore it should be documented. 24.126.225.9 03:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 *  Strongly Support Rickroll has been all over the internet. It has been prominent enough to be mentioned in a CNN article about internet trends, isn't this a credible enough source to add it to the page? http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/05/23/google.trends.ap/index.html --71.113.255.73 21:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That, Wikipedians, is a rickroll. And just a harmless paragraph is all that needed to mention this kind of crap. Userpie 21:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Damn, I done got Rickrolled. You bastards. --Kurt Shaped Box 21:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * grrrr i got rickrolled too.
 * That is one of the best Rick Rolls I have ever been tricked by.
 * I would've fallen for it if I hadn't seen the replies right there. But I clicked on it anyway to enjoy the Rickrollin'. --Nintendorulez talk 07:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 *  Strongly Support A LOT!!!! Rickroll has become a huge fad among the gaming community. Definitely notable. ThunderPower 23:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support Rickroll has become popular enough for Rick Astley himself to acknowledge its existence. Yzalzy 03:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Got a source on that? Snarfies 04:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support Rickroll is a popular fad, and has been acknowledged by Rick Astley and appeared in Family Guy. It is definitely noteworthy. Nyeguy 03:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Got a source on that? Snarfies 04:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Do we need like 10000 sources for everything?!? A simple Google and YouTube search would bring up the results. Stop being lazy and do the work. ThunderPower 15:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything about Astley acknowledging the meme. Do you want Support to win, if you even have a source, or are you going to be a dick? Userpie 15:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see it win. It would stand a better chance of winning with an actual source - this entire vote procedure would become moot at that point.  Now who's the dick?  Geez. This is why I mostly stick to gnoming anime articles.  Snarfies 19:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Search results, or other machine-generated data not analyzed by a reliable source, should definitely be regarded with caution. See the guideline External links, no. 9 and the essay Search engine test. Grace notes T § 21:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Very Strongly Support This entire argument is ridiculous. Rickrolling has been around for years; it wasn't because of the Family Guy episode "Meet the Quagmires" (like many people believe).  Astley himself recognizes this fad and his song "Never Gonna Give You Up" was featured on Family Guy.  Appearing on Family Guy is almost like appearing on The Simpsons; once you're on The Simpsons, you've made it big time.  I'd say being on Family Guy is pretty notable, you know, seeing as an average of 8 million people watch it every week. Doodoobutter 15:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support, if and only if someone can find a good citation. --Android Mouse 17:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly Support Rickrolling is real. It happens a lot, and it is a very big and popular thing. Hell, it's even been on TV. Although I'm sure some people here want to pretend it never existed, the fact is that rickrolling is well known and significant. Lecher


 * Support Rickrolling is notable as it's the only way to get people to listen to this song. Jehfes 00:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey... :( Grace notes T § 04:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Support Rickrolling swapped over to germany. It is really popular in a german poker forum that is used by a vast amount of people. 129.132.3.106 14:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Support It is already included in the Rick Astley article. It could at least get copy 'n pasted here.
 * Support added note An article has already been created. Rickroll ThunderPower 23:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Support Unless the five times I've ended up on that video are a figment of my imagination... And apparently your article was "patent nonsense". This has been around for over a month, and you should remember that we're talking about a game that has several million players, as well as the best known gaming community on the internet. The Youtube videos speaks for themselves, having a combined total of well over 1.7 million hits between them. --217.42.242.45 21:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Support You may not like it, but it is notable since it's everywhere. Thunk 00:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Support It's notable, it just can't be cited properly. 65.41.82.241 03:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly support its a phenomenon thats happening on the internet now. people might get the link to rick roll and not get it. i certainly looked up this article today searching for "rick roll" in order to find out why everyone seemed to be linking to him as a joke. im glad the info was there.


 * Support I'm for. It's getting out, and people are going to be wondering. Escapeartist 22:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Support I seriously cannot surf a forum without getting rickrolled at least once. It's become so prevalent that I've now memorized several youtube hyperlinks to prevent getting rickrolled. Darkchun 03:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly support The show Family Guy actually "Rockrolled" its entire audience. I think that is a good enough reason to add information about it.  The episode having that song was not a coincidence, you know.  At the height of Rickrolling, they Rickrolled the entire nation. -Brandon Harwell


 * Support Something this widespread is definitely WP-worthy. It's not your usual blahblah encyclopedic readings, but then again, WP isn't supposed to be your usual encyclopedia. If it were, I wouldn't care about it. Exigence 19:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

 * Strongly Oppose The true test of a meme is if it's notable days or weeks later. Most memes die out rather quickly, and lose notability very fast. As you can tell, there are very few memes on Wikipedia for this reason. If somehow this becomes a WELL-KNOWN (i.e. not on 4chan, GameFAQS message boards, etc.), but mentioned, and even covered by reliable sources, then perhaps an article can be done on it. Wildthing61476 18:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This meme has been around for years, not since Family Guy first showed it. It's now that the song was featured on Family Guy that this mem has been brough into the light again. Doodoobutter 15:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose no reliable sources for this "meme" 201.252.205.194 21:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Re I found a source (CNN), linked above under support. Is this sufficient? --71.113.255.73 21:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose This needs to be backed up by reliable sources. 68.84.190.47 21:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strongly Oppose I see no reliable sources on this. lancelottjones 21:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not reliable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.196.108.26 (talk) 21:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose I don't think that this kind of small thing is important enough to take up any of Wikipedia's archives.
 * Re There are numerous other reasons to oppose this, but wiki is not paper. RubilacEx 16:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose Stupid Internet inside jokes or "memes" as neckbeards like to call them, are not encyclopedic material. Get a life.
 * I couldn't find the change in which to unsigned you, but please be aware of WP:PA. Wikipedia is not a battleground. Userpie 00:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose This isn't really the realm of WP I think, this is more enycyclopediadramatica's realm. If you wanted to create a single topic of "internet lulz history" or something, where this, Dancing banana, ect, could link to, then go for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miles 2397 (talk • contribs)
 * Strongly Oppose A meme of this small calibre is not worthy of an encyclopedic article. something like this would be found on the Lurkmoar wiki, but not wikipedia. --Kommando 03:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The argument is not for a full article. It's a paragraph about Rick roll. Userpie 10:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose keep this sort of thing where it belongs, we don't need it to become mainstream and popular
 * Because? Assuming it isn't mainstream and popular, which it is 61.68.139.203 (talk) 08:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Why did my vote get erased I am strongly opposed to that
 * Because it was ridiculous "Strongly Fucking Opposed" with some crap nobody understood, with the exception of your fellow 4chan-ers. Userpie 21:14, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose It's just an internet meme and an attempt by 4chan.org to vandalize wikipedia. It will die out soon and it is not well known outside of a handful of websites.
 * I take exception to that accusation, and according to google, its pretty widespread. Snarfies 14:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The issue is that, even if it is widespread, we're going to have to prove that without the help of Google. Grace notes T § 21:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Remember, avoid Neologisms. Seems to be local to the internet meme community, and I can't verify any reliable source that it's being used outside of that community. Think back to happycat on British shorthair... --Targetter (Lock On) 05:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't post the rickroll meme.
It is well known on one website, it has no place in a formal Encylopedia.60.240.172.172 19:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * A formal encyclopedia is supposed to document all major things, Rickrolling is an internet phenomenon. Doshindude (talk) 16:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It can be found on a comparatively large number of websites, including google searching and Youtube today (1st April, Fools Day)61.68.139.203 (talk) 08:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind the fact that I got linked to it from like four people I know--none of them even being *members* of WoW/4chan/etc. 71.60.159.181 08:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Why doesn't "rickroll" have its own page?
I presume, knowing the anal nature of wikipedians, there have been many attempts to start and remove an individual page on "rick rolling", and some discussions are archived somewhere on this topic i am sure. I would note, however, that with prominent mentions in the NY Times and Los Angeles times in the last 48 hours, I would support the creation of a rickrolling page. I am sure many people are seeking this content from wikipedia daily. --Milowent (talk) 17:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, there may very well be enough material to create a separate article. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 19:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and split the article into Rickroll. I'll start adding additional sources in a bit. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 01:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Rickrolling article
Interview with Rick Astley about, what else, rickrolling. Might be a good source for either this article or a split that covers rickrolling specifically. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 19:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Guardian music article: Z00r (talk) 14:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

BBC newscast: Z00r (talk) 01:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and given that Youtube is now rickrolling everyone who goes to watch a featured video, that it was reported on the BBC television news yesterday, is raping Digg left right and centre and so on it is now very clearly deserving of its own article.--Gothicform (talk) 15:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Another reference
www.kongregate.com referenced the song in it's card today. Just thought I'd bring it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tesfan (talk • contribs) 16:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Most Viewed
Is Never Gonna Give You Up the most viewed Music video of all time? I went through youtube and found multiple videos, adding up to over 50 million views. I'm pretty sure this beats "Thriller" - - [ The Spooky One ] | [ t c r ] 07:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The music video for "Girlfriend" by avril lavinge has 80 something million views I think, but It's far above 50. Should we delete that part, because it's, um, false?--58.166.197.173 (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Prank link = Advertising?
There is a link in the references that links to a website offering rick roll pranks to phones. I assume it makes money, so in my opinion it should be considered advertising. We shouldn't be directing people there. 92.9.227.101 (talk) 13:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Anyone interested in making this a featured article?
Regardless of all the recent hype.--Mlokwittaka (talk) 01:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No. 81.159.15.9 (talk) 18:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Chrono Trigger
I think some mention should be made to the almost-identical soundtrack between this song and "Robo's Theme" from the video game Chrono Trigger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.211.75.108 (talk) 11:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes! Somebody else picked up on the similarities! I'm not entirely insane!!!--72.23.147.74 (talk) 04:57, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

recommend a rickroll section
as stated above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.40.244 (talk) 02:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Should be added
I believe this link should be added to the wiki for 'Never Gonna Give You Up'. http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2266526,00.html 81.111.205.99 (talk) 03:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

The song has also become popular during the Cleveland Cavs run to the playoffs. It has sparked a few dance offs among players during timeouts. It even went as far as Ray Allen calling the Cavs out about dancing to this song in a big victory over the Celtics at the end of the 2009 season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.35.79.70 (talk) 19:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Found one of the dancers
Her name is Andrea Carla Michaels. Don't know if this will ever be relevant, but thought I'd throw the link up here just in case somebody wants to find a way to incorporate it. Trvsdrlng (talk) 04:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Music sample
Is it just me, or is the "music sample" file a sample of some Linkin Park song? (what is this, reverse rickrolling? :) )

Darth Vader (talk) 14:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Chrono Trigger
Should we mention how Robo's Theme in Chrono Trigger matches this song's beat nearly perfectly? Rockhound (talk) 01:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Protect page?
I think this page have to be protected so just autoconfirmed users can edit it. This page is a vandalism constant blank. I think it's the better for all. -- MisterWiki  talking! :-D  - 01:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There hasn't been much activity lately, so right now it's not really justified. Also, the proper place to make these requests is at WP:RPP.  bibliomaniac 1  5  04:14, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Merging The Rickrollerz
I have merged The Rickrollerz to the article. -- MW  talk   contribs  00:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Recentism
There seems very little coverage of older events in this article, its primary focus seeming to be the Rickrolling meme. 90.206.167.27 (talk) 17:17, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I believed that was just because that's mainly what's important about the song. 114.76.101.222 (talk) 00:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Manuel Noriega blasted out of an embassy with Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up", among other songs
Before Rickrolling, The United States military attempted to blast Panama dictator Manuel Noriega out of an embassy with music, including "Never Gonna Give You Up" by Rick Astley. | Noriega Arrives In France To Face Charges

DaDoc540 (talk) 02:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

NGGYU
What is the reasoning behind having /NGGYU redirect to this article? To me, it seems like nothing short of a joke, a way of Rickrolling via Wikipedia. 93.166.114.170 (talk) 21:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "NGGYU" is a semi-common abbreviation of the song's title; if someone searches for it, it makes sense for it to redirect to this page. What else should Nggyu point to? EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 23:35, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Jeez...
Trolls are messing up the page itself! 173.67.14.94 (talk) 02:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protect this page
Please do so. This vandalism and memes is getting old. Antiv31 discuss 00:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

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Notable appearances in other media
A while back I added the section Notable Appearances in other media. This section is featured in many other articles about famous songs, for some unexplained reason it was deleted. Please do not delete it this time

Erezc1 (talk) 13:54, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

I rewrote the Notable Appearances in Other Media. I haven't cited IMDB this time, although IMDB is cited all over Wikipedia Erezc1 (talk) 17:36, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Covers
listing the chartings of covers for this particular song prior to its return to popularity in 2007 is superfluous per WP:TOPIC; as for it meeting WP:SONGCOVER, it does so simply by its notability, as with "Non ti lascerò". QuestFour (talk) 03:41, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree with you, as chart positions are here to prove the cover meets WP:SONGCOVER (the song was also released way before 2007, in 1997). On the other hand, "Non ti lascerò" doesn't meet WP:SONGCOVER ("Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc., is not sufficient to show that a cover version is noteworthy"). Synthwave.94 (talk) 04:04, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2021
after timeworks add as youtuber JOHNY ROLAND (talk) 05:55, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sentence is removed as vandalism. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 06:21, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Filming location
According to IMDb, the music video was not filmed in the borough of Harrow, but in the Harrow Club which is not located in Harrow but in the borough of Kensington and Chelsea. The window patterns of the building are the same that can be seen in the video. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt4654462/locations MaxPlays (talk) 00:02, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

"Rickrollers" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Rickrollers. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 26 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Eridian314 (talk) 19:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2021
i think this link explains explains it a BIT better https://www.thisworldthesedays.com/pt-2-1.html 83.89.10.114 (talk) 19:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. OhNo itsJamie Talk 19:34, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

New animated version on rick's channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLFhKaqnWwk 110.174.193.36 (talk) 00:25, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Rick is 56 age now
Alive 222.166.154.241 (talk) 13:16, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2022
I would like to add a link to the youtube video "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ" RUbiksude (talk) 13:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: No need for a YouTube external link. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Put lyrics
Put lyrics please so people will know the song 2001:16A2:C812:BE00:6C3F:CFC3:EEFE:94CF (talk) 09:22, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not an WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of info. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2024
To add his middle name to all of his names used and his middle name is paul. SilasdaBoss (talk) 17:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2024 (UTC)