Talk:Neville–Neville feud

Uppercase for Earl?
I'm not sure about this, but looking at Earl of Wessex indicates the "E" of earl should be uppercase when referring to specific earls. DrChrissy (talk) 18:54, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes I think so- upper case for specific people, lower case for the honour on its own? Muffled Pocketed  09:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

GA review
I've just discovered that this is undergoing a GA review. although doubtless you were relyng on the bot to inform me, it didn't. Dunno why. Still, didn't you think it was a bit rude of me not to saying anything about it for over three weeks?! &mdash; O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  14:31, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I have actually never done this before, so I didn't know I was supposed to, but now that you mention it, I wish I had. I chose it because I am interested in the Nevilles - (I am also involved in Wars of the Roses) - I don't really know the procedures for closing either. I thought it was a good article, but a more experienced editor pointed out some improvements he would like to see. I offered to help to improve it if needed - I wish I had known who created the article so I could have gotten in touch sooner, is there a way to find this out without going through the entire article history so I can avoid making this mistake in the future? Sincerely sorry about that. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 07:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries :) I was not annoyed with you, just a little embarrassed at the fact that the review had been going on for weeks without me saying a dickie bird! It would look awfully rude that. For finding out page creators, just look at the list of options in the column on the left side of the page- click 'page information'- and in the ?second box, it will say who created it, when, how big it is, etc. I'm glad you're interested in tWotR, it's a bit of specialism of mine too. Welcome aboard :) Question: so would you rather complete the GA review yourself, or actually have the credit for getting an article to GA?  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  07:54, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I would prefer to work on editing it and leave the reviewing to others in this case because it's an article I'm very interested in, as long as I'm not required to close the review because I opened it I would gladly work on improving it. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 07:58, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Great 👍 there's plenty of to share around. We can put it on hold, then resubmit it. The bot should do the rest. although we've seen how reliable he can be.  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  08:13, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * How should we deal with the en dash problem User:BlueMoonset raised? I think the best thing would be to move the entire page - en dash is not standard on keyboards (I can't even figure out how to get the article opened in my text editor) - I can probably figure it out, but I think most editors will continue to use the standard - out of habit Seraphim System  ( talk ) 08:28, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree. Certainly no-one's going to carry out a search using an en dash are they! I regret using the blasted things in the first place now. How does trimming it to 'Neville family feud' or suchlike sound? &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  08:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * "Neville family feud" works for me Seraphim System  ( talk ) 08:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually it's ok as it is, I can input en dash, and this is more consistent with the other article Percy-Neville feud. The reviewer seems to want it standardized rather then removed, so I will use APA style guidelines for dashes throughout the page. It's causing some kind of meltdown when I try to open directly in my editor, but I copied the article into my sandbox so it's not a big deal. Seraphim System  ( talk ) 09:54, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Excellent, good start 🍔 &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  10:00, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Charles Ross dissertation
Do you think it would be ok to remove this source? I am concerned that an unpublished dissertation with 37 reads that is only available on ResearchGate may be WP:UNDUE for inclusion (especially as a contrast to OUP) - I have not read the dissertation so I can not judge the sources the author has relied on, but I have emailed the author to ask for a copy. Seraphim System ( talk ) 08:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No, the source is fine (not that I am an arbitor, you understand, merely with the usual IMHO-caveat, etc ). University of Oxford D.Phils are some of the most peer reviewed publications in the western world, with only a little exaggeration. there is a good discussion at the WP:RSN here. I would, though, be interested to know how you emailed the author? :) Charles Ross (historian) died in 1986!  In which case your talents are truely wasted here  :)  BTW, how do you mean, 'only available on research gate'? It's in the Bodleian library! (cf. WP:PUBLISH)  &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  08:38, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok maybe what I found was something else, researchgate didn't have it available so I just clicked the request button - not sure why that would be available for an author who has passed away ... I just wanted to be sure. Is there anyway to get a copy of it? Seraphim System  ( talk ) 09:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, it's from 1952, so it's MEGA-fragile (I don't know if you've seen 'paper' from the post-war period but (I guess due to shortages) it's more like greaseproof paper- which has gone 'crispy'- not sure of the technical term!). I had to go there myself- they won't lend it out because of it's age- and took copious handwritten (pencil, that is- no ink allowed!) notes- and paid for one of the chapers to be digitised / photographed. But frankly, dreaming spires my arse: They're not backwards when it comes to charging- it's about £5 /$7? a page. So the whole thing would cost a few hundred. F*** that :) &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  09:14, 16 May 2017 (UTC)