Talk:New Black Panther Party/Archive 2

Discrimination sidebar
The article Racism provides the definition "discrimination and prejudice based on race". Racism is, therefore, one form of discrimination (and prejudice) and the sidebar is fully justified. I cordially invite to explain where he sees a difference and how the sidebar is not justified. Kleuske (talk) 11:44, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Discrimination is "treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing" etc. Can you cite an instance in which the NBPP has treated or considered people in any fashion? They talk a lot, but that's all they do -- talk. Discrimination is action, and it requires more than talk. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 12:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It does not matter whether or not I can "cite instances". The fact that it's a racial hatred group is documented in the article. Hence the sidebar is appropriate. Kleuske (talk) 13:22, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * So you say. It does not matter what words mean. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:13, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It does, actually. As a matter of fact, it seels like the words "editing against consensus" and "article ownership" start to take on some meaning. Ecen the words "editwaring" may come into play. 09:56, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me elucidate...
 * sidebar added by Brough87 "This organisation, as stated in the article itself is considered a Hate Group on racial grounds by the Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. Sidebar added accordingly."
 * removed by Malik Shabazz "How does their description as a hate group have to do with discrimination? (or, "I don't think that word means what you think it means")"
 * Reinstated by Brough87
 * removed, again by you "there's a racism template at the bottom of the page -- I hope you understand the difference between racism and discrimination, if not, please discuss"
 * Reinstated by yours truly
 * Removed, again, by Malik Shabazz "as explained on talk page, hate speech and discrimination are not the same thing"
 * Now it may just be me being a nitpick, but I'm not satisfied with the explanation "So you say. It does not matter what words mean." That's not an explanation, I note. As soon as violence is incited against particular groups, that group isn't just racist, it's discriminatory, too. The two usually go hand in hand. Hence the sidebar is fully justified. Kleuske (talk) 10:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. If you insist on the "racist, but not discriminatory" stance, I'll start quoting the NBPP program which is *full* of discriminatory propositions, such as tax-exemptions for specific groups (i.e. Black people). Kleuske (talk) 10:36, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

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