Talk:New England Patriots strategy

wikify
This is the third time I've replced the wikify tag on this article. It has been removed without comment each time. Worse, the article hasn't been improved. The article needs to be edited to conform to the manual of style in layout and formatting. In particular, the inappropriate and arbitrary use of bold text needs to be repaired. The article needs an introductory paragraph that establishes context and explains the subject. Please do not remove the tag until the article has been cleaned up. -- Mikeblas 03:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I site bias simply by this page existing. There are no other pages for other team's strategies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.133.111 (talk) 15:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * How is that bias? (i.e. a violation of WP:NPOV) You're welcome to create a strategy article for any other team. And vandalizing the page by blanking it is not the way to communicate this.  Pats 1  T / C  19:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm considering trying to write additional entries for the Colts and/or the Chargers but need more information regarding Tom Moore's Golden Gopher offense. -- coppercod 20:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Is the offensive part of this section even relevant anymore? the Defense is fine but the patriots deploy more of a spread offense to utilize Moss and Stallworth. They hardly run much less set up much of a play-action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.241.146 (talk) 04:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Original research issues
I have been going through the references one at a time, and only ONE mentions that the Patriots run the so called "Erhardt-Perkins" system. All of the rest of the sources only mention that so-and-so coached under such-and-such as an assisstant. No mention is given to the details of this system, or to its history. The entire article seems to be novel synthesis of ideas, and I cannot see how any of this information actually comes from reliable sources. There are LIBRARIES of football strategy books out there. Has NO ONE written a book outlining this system? This article is in real need of some serious referencing fixes. --Jayron32| talk | contribs 06:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The Erhardt-Perkins system is more usually called "smashmouth football," i.e. a run-heavy attack that relies on big, strong offensive linemen who can pull and trap block along with bruiser-type running backs to wear down opposing defenses. The passing attack capitalizes on the threat of the run game by using lots of play-action passes on deep routes.

The system doesn't originate with Perkins and Erhardt, and the two men never even coached together: Ray Perkins was head coach of the Giants from '79-'82, and Ron Erhardt was the team's offensive coordinator from '82-'91. That being said, they're two of the most notable adherents of the system in recent memory, and Erhardt in many ways simply improved upon the offensive foundation laid by Perkins, hence "Erhardt-Perkins." It's a perfectly legitimate name for this offense. 75.170.46.253 (talk) 04:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Taping Allegations
I put in a section about the taping of the Jets and the Rams. Because there are two notable instances, there is a possibility the team has done this on more than one occasion. I included it here because it possibly is about how they prepare for games. If it was the Jets alone, I would agree it not be noting...especially since Jets head coach Eric Mangini was apart of Belichick's system for those Super Bowls and would have known about the taping for every game back in the 2006 season when Mangini left. However, since there are two separate instances, we should note them. I have no problem if the entry or wording itself is fixed up, since I was in a rush to get it down, but removing it completely I think is going a bit too far. Please discuss if you disagree. Arnabdas (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Patriots Strategy
I am the original author of the article on Patriots strategy. The additions regarding allegations of cheating are vandalism, off topic, and not reasonably related to an analysis of Patriots strategy. Cheating is not a strategy and the inclusion of a section regarding controversial allegations is inflammatory by its nature. The intent of the article is simply to describe the offensive and defensive systems the New England Patriots use, and how they relate to other systems such as the West Coast offense or the 4-3 defense. Just like an allegation of Shanahan's signal stealing would be out of place in a discussion of Denver's zone blocking running system, a discussion of taping is unrelated and out of place in this article.

Kindly allow such inflammatory provisions to be deleted. coppercod (talk) 17:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

If cheating isn't a strategy, why do the Patriots do it so often?68.83.25.36 (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

WTH?
I don't know WHY the New England Patriots deserve a seperate strategy page when no other team has it. Please make pages for the other teams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolinapanthersfan (talk • contribs) 21:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and make it. That's the point of Wikipedia; there's no such thing as "deserving" articles.  Pats 1  T / C  21:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a Detroit Lions strategy page... Aapold (talk) 23:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * This would make a very interesting article, but it is NOT a good Wikipedia page for a few reasons:


 * 1) This will not always be representative of the team's strategy, especially once they lose key players, coaches and perhaps switch owners. This article is transitory at best.
 * 2) While Pats1 is correct that anyone could make a strategy article about any team, Wikipedia is absolutely not the right forum for this kind of article. I admire the initiative, but it is misplaced here.
 * 3) There is a ton of original research here, which is a major wikipedia no-no.
 * 4) The information here is a mess: poorly formatted with unsightly links and no cohesion whatsoever.

I move that we a) delete this page or b) find a way to incorporate the information into either the New England Patriots or History of the New England Patriots article(s). --Bill shannon (talk) 01:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

It's a good idea, but...
I found it amusing when I found this page while looking for the ages of the Patriots offensive unit this year. I like the fact that it is a page, but I wonder if it should include dates. I mean, if the Patriots switch philosophies (which they do all the time, even year to year) then this page will be irrelevant and will need to be erased therefore losing all the hard work of the original author.

I'm just thinking that each strategy should have a designation for which season it represents.Jaylectricity (talk) 01:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

It's the same system
The systems run by Belichick have remained the same throughout his entire time coaching the team. It is true that the offense has emphasized certain aspects of the system at times in accordance with available personnel, but a system is much more than simply how much emphasis a team places on the passing vs. the running game that season. From year to year it's the language that the coaches and the players use to communicate with each other.

Christopher Suh (talk) 21:33, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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