Talk:New Extremity

Examples?
I think a lot of the recent films under Category:French_horror_films could count as being as examples of this new wave of films. Would that be considered original research?--CyberGhostface (talk) 19:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It would be original research if you don't have a source indicating such a relationship. I suppose if you have a source discussing recent French horror films, that information could be included on this page even if the "NFE" label wasn't mentioned. Aryder779 (talk) 21:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * How is this link?--CyberGhostface (talk) 21:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Very interesting. However, the reference appears to be a blog, which I don't believe is a considered a reliable source.
 * I'll read it over and see what other sources I can find. Aryder779 (talk) 02:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In the spirit of "ignore all rules", I added some information from that article/blog/whatever it is. Thanks for posting the link. Aryder779 (talk) 14:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice it was a blog. I just thought it was an editorial. Sorry.--CyberGhostface (talk) 15:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * How are these links?  --CyberGhostface (talk) 16:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If anyone is interested in looking at the French New Extremity academically then I would suggest reading The New Extremism in Cinema by Tanya Horeck. Very interesting read which has been extremely influential on my current essay on whether or not the French New Extremism can be classified as a genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.25.212 (talk) 13:51, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Belgian film
Some genius's list of French films included a Belgian one - go figure, probably an American who still thinks Amsterdam is the capital city of Denmark. Anyways, I've made the necessary correction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.4.225.49 (talk) 19:29, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Possible Expansions
The following are suggestions for further improving this page. I'll likely being conducting research in the coming weeks and months in an effort to expand on these ideas. I'll be doing this for a graduate film theory class in cooperation with the Wikipedia U.S. Education Program.

Article might consider what films and countries have been inspired stylistically by the New French Extremity movement, particularly its horror contingent. Immediately, A Serbian Film comes to mind. Perhaps Kill List, too, from Britain.

Article might consider style movements—in addition to the filmmakers already mentioned—that predated New French Extremity and likely influenced it. (For example, the article presently references Luis Buñel, but there is no mention of the Surrealist tradition that exemplified several of his works.)

Article could also talk about New French Extremism’s eventual expansion into, influence within other cinematic realms, like Hollywood. Specifically, I think of Alexandre Aja’s The Hill Have Eyes, which brought the New French Extremism style that he helped create with High Tension to the context of a well-budgeted, mainstream Hollywood remake. Jhubanks (talk) 01:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Funny Games?
How can Funny Games be influenced by these movies when it was released in '97, yet all noted French films were released in '98 oder later? 91.66.28.121 (talk) 20:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Irreversible
Shouldn't Irreversible by Gaspar Noe be included?

Translation Class Project
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Suggested revamp to bring the page up to date with current thinking (Jan 2023)
Hi all,

I'm proposing to give this page a bit of a revamp: there has been quite a lot of research done on extreme cinema over the past decade and this is mostly not taken into account on this page. I'll leave this message up for a few weeks before I start to let people engage if they wish, but I guess the easiest thing will be for people to discuss the changes once I've put them in place. The main elements I suggest changing are:


 * change the page name to 'New Extreme films' and reframe this grouping as a mostly European but also in some ways global, rather than just a French, phenomenon
 * Although Quandt coined the term New French Extremity, he quickly acknowledged this was a mistake, and most writing since (e.g. by Horeck & Kendall, Mattias Frey, Asbjørn Grønstad, and others see it as existing far beyond France (think of The Idiots, A Hole in my Heart, A Serbian Film, Taxidermia, etc.)


 * explain the main scholarly ideas about the films, especially about the concept of extremity, and other ways of understanding or categorising these films. Currently it is mostly based on journalistic writing about the films, and does not take into account much academic writing (except for Palmer) of which there is now a lot
 * A lot of primary space is also given over to James Quandt at the moment. While he did coin the term and so is widely quoted, he is more influential as a writer to disagree with, than as someone whose ideas provide the greatest insight into new extreme films. His position would be de-emphasised to give place to other more recent thinkers.
 * separate the discussions of new extreme films, from New French Horror (this would include separating any discussions of the controversies arising from Frontiers and Martyrs from those about Irreversible and Baise-moi, for instance)
 * Most scholars consider more generically-marked horror films from Laugier/Gens/Aja to be different from the more recognisably arthouse films from Breillat/Noé/Denis/von Trier. Again, this distinction comes from Quandt but most scholars disagree with him and he later admitted he was wrong to conflate the two (see his later 2011 article 'More Moralism from That ‘Wordy Fuck '' )

Cheers Ok2avenu (talk) 13:49, 28 January 2023 (UTC)