Talk:New Haven, Connecticut/Archive 2

This archive includes threads from Talk:New Haven, Connecticut from January 1st, 2008 to present.

Illegal immigration controversy
Only the federal court decides whether the City of New Haven actually violates the INA. The flip side of the debate is that issuance of ID cards and drivers licenses are not the reserved functions of Congress, hence the ninth and tenth amendments let the City issue the Elm City cards, since it is never intended to be a proof of immigration status or nationality. Is there an actual federal court ruling that says New Haven is violating the INA? Also, "his opponents" -- who? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.9.166 (talk) 02:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Louis' Lunch evidence
The American Folklife Center, at the Library of Congress, was founded in 1928 to archive collections of national or international significance. It is one of the world's oldest and largest repositories of cultural materials of traditional life. The web pages on the library's website are intended to be used by the public and to increase awareness of the contributions of inventors, artists, scientists, etc. Louis' Lunch donated articles, photographs, etc. to be held permanently in the archives of the Library and to be made available to the public as well as researchers.Tomticker5 (talk) 14:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This needs to be cited by a reliable source to be here. Just because the evidence exists, doesn't mean it's shown here.--Loodog (talk) 18:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is cited by the Library of Congress website page dedicated to Louis' Lunch as the maker of the first steak sandwich and the hamburger in the U.S. Is the LOC not a reliable source?Tomticker5 (talk) 19:01, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you help me to insert a citation into the article? There are several books listed in the Louis' Lunch article but the main source for credibility is the LOC.Tomticker5 (talk) 19:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, my fault. I failed to notice the specifics of the source cited.  This is fine, though if we fail to mention the other claimants, it somewhat contradicts the Hamburger article.--Loodog (talk) 20:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The wikipedia hamburger article is flawed because the editor's continue to protect these other false claims. The claim by Frank Tolbert, now deceased, that Fletch Davis invented the hamburger and brought it to the World's Fair in 1904 is just fantasy. Tolbert claims that an article in the New York Tribune newspaper, which has never been found after an exhausted search of their archives, claims a man was serving hamburgers at the fair. Tolbert says that Davis was that man, however, the article was never written. So, Tolbert lives on, in wikipedia, being made famous by his own false claim supporting Fletch Davis. While Louis' Lunch, the only place that has ever had any hard evidence, archived at the Library of Congress, continues to sell hamburger's!!Tomticker5 (talk) 13:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Tomticker5 is a WP:COI contributor, as he is a relative of Louis' Lunch owners and founders. He is making a number of unsourced claims about his family business, and twisting sources to support his WP:COI. Please approach his contributions with due caution. Weregerbil (talk) 19:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not related to any Louis' Lunch owners or founders. Now, that is a good example of a straw man argumentTomticker5 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Is Luigi Pieragostini your great uncle? Please excuse me if I am not wholly familiar with the ownership structure of the businesses in question, however. Weregerbil (talk) 20:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It is common knowledge, and a part of the history of Louis' Lunch, that it is still owned and operated by fourth generation Lassen's. I am not affiliated with, or related to, Louis' Lunch or the Lassen family in any way; I wish I was. My great Uncle invented a hinged gridiron in the early 1900s, manufactured it and patented it. That gridiron was used by many people other than Louis' Lunch BTW.Tomticker5 (talk) 20:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Population discrepancy
The Hartford article says that Hartford is the third-largest city in CT, but this article says that New Haven is the third largets. Which is true? Redsox4918 (talk) 02:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Notable New Haven natives and long-term residents
Would anyone object to removing this section and adding a link to ?


 * If there were a "List of people from New Haven, Connecticut", it might be a reasonable way to go. But linking to a category isn't terribly useful: it's far less conveniently arranged and therefore far less conveniently read, and loses all the ancillary information other than a raw list of names. You would also lose all the people listed who don't have articles of their own. Categories really can't replace lists. - Nunh-huh 04:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right-- I had only glanced at the page and thought it was a raw list. My mistake. That being said, should we link to a list? This section does take up a substantial chunk of the page, and isn't necessarily of interest to those viewing the New Haven article. Fullobeans (talk) 07:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * If the page gets a lot longer, it might be worthwhile splitting out, but as of now it's only 71KB, not at all oversized for an article on a major city (NYC is 113, Cleveland 80). - Nunh-huh 18:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we can add Mr. Beers and the clinic as well.
 * Clifford W. Beers Guidance Clinic, Inc., Building strength in children and families since 1913
 * Clifford W. Beers - His Legacy

Elisabeth Young-Bruehl "In 1983, she enrolled for clinical psychoanalytic training in New Haven, Connecticut. At New Haven's Child Study Center, she met several of Anna Freud's American colleagues, and was invited to become Anna Freud's biographer, leading to the 1988 book Anna Freud: A Biography.[4]

Maybe we can add New Haven's Child Study Center, too.
 * Austerlitz -- 88.75.196.7 (talk) 13:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Streetscape + Neighborhoods = Climate??
Uh, the "Streetscape" and "Neighborhoods" sub-sections are under "Climate" at the moment... which obviously makes no sense at all. How can we reorganize this? Put them under "Geography" maybe? --Kangabell (talk) 02:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. All 3 are now subsections of Geography, as I believe was intended. --Orlady (talk) 02:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)