Talk:New Haven–style pizza/Archive 1

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'a pizza
I'd like to present a more reasonable explanation for this debate/discussion.

Most Italian emmigrants who settled in New Haven were Neapolitan (from the south of Italy, Amalfi, Sorrento, Salerno, Caserta, etc.). Most of them spoke the Neapolitan language (or dialect if you will).

In Neapolitan, the word for pizza is `a pizza. The word `a is the definite article the used before nouns like pizza which doesn't need to be translated here. For purposes of comparison, the word would be la pizza in Italian.

It's likely that these illiterate immigrants (I beg you, I mean no disrespect in this comment) weren't able to write properly Neapolitan nor English. When these immigrants began to open their own restaraunts, they started to write apizza on their signs and in their menus.

In conclusion, apizza isn't "a New Haven word" or some kind of local slang. It's just the way that the illiterate immigrants wrote the Neapolitan word 'a pizza, which over time, was used by other pizza places in greater New Haven and reinforced over the last 80 years.

If you don't want to take my word for it, here's the Neapolitan language Wikipedia. Afterall, `a pizza was created in Naples!

salutammo

Apizza is just another way to say pizza
When I lived in the New Haven area, it was my understanding that apizza ("ah-beets") was just another way to say "pizza". (As the last anonymous commenter says, a dialect variation.) This Wikipedia article is the first time I encountered the theory that this is the name for New Haven-style pizza. I have not seen any support for this theory (the cited reference does not suggest any such thing). ... --orlady 21:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Every pizzeria in the New Haven area has Apizza in the sign; I believe that's sufficient evidence of the validity of the word being directly associated with New Haven style pizza. I have seen the name used in other parts of the country, usually qualifying themselves as: "New Haven Style Apizza". Jsderwin 09:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

For anyone who may be interested, there is a relatively new place in San Diego, CA serving New Haven style pizza. It's called Basic Urban Bar and Kitchen, and one of the principle owners hails from New Haven. It's across the street from Petco Park, the ballpark where the San Diego Padres play, and is a favorite pre- and post-game stop for baseball fans. On that note, when the Boston Red Sox are in town, the place is simply packed with New Englanders...

This writer would have to say that it is certainly the best pizza he has ever had in his life.

Apizza in Southern California...
For anyone who may be interested, there is a relatively new place in San Diego, CA serving New Haven style pizza. It's called Basic Urban Bar and Kitchen, and one of the principle owners hails from New Haven. It's across the street from Petco Park, the ballpark where the San Diego Padres play, and is a favorite pre- and post-game stop for baseball fans. On that note, when the Boston Red Sox are in town, the place is simply packed with New Englanders...

This writer would have to say that it is certainly the best pizza he has ever had in his life.

Apizza in Manchester
Randy's Wooster Street was not a new addition to Manchester in 2007. They simply moved to a new location within the town. I am suggesting moving that reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dyjack (talk • contribs) 12:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistent Description of Crust Consistency
Is the crust 'chewy and tender' or 'very crisp'? The current state of the article suggests both! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.120.179.91 (talk) 04:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The crust is both crisp and tender. This is achieved by using a dough that is high in moisture, and an oven that is very hot. This style of pizza is very uncommon in most parts of the world, as most commercial pizza ovens don't reach the required temperature to create the conditions necessary to make this style of pizza. If you were to take an authentic recipe for New Haven pizza and make it in an oven that couldn't reach the right temperature, it would come out being a foldable crust similar to the style you would see at a place like Sbarro. --Jsderwin (talk) 01:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Unbalanced Apizza Pictures
All of the pictures are of pizzas made by Pepe's. We should remove one or two of them and replace them with pictures of apizzas made by Sally's.  Wikipedia should be neutral and balanced so it only makes sense to have pictures from different places. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.147.225 (talk) 06:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Not Round?

 * HUH?? Crazy. The stuff I've had over many years, is always round.


 * Love this article and think it's important, and mostly accurate, but lotsa stuff isn't supported by reality. I put in a note.


 * My personal POV is that Modern is best, given the sometimes insulting customer service and crowds at other two of "big three."


 * One need not be insulted by a pizza jerk to obtain excellent pizza in the New Haven area. In my private view, there are numerous joints around that are as good as Sally's/Pepe's. One is in West Haven called Zuppardi's, though there are many others.


 * Without attempting to evaluate all the hundreds of truly lousy pizza joint in the New Haven area, perhaps this article ought to emphasize that many joints in this area are far, far above the average relative to U.S. standards. - Calamitybrook (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Shape isn't a primary critirium here. It might be round-ish or rectangular.  They make it to fit in the serving pan, at least at Pepe's, whatever the shape needs to be. - Denimadept (talk) 22:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

"Notable establishments"
How many of the restaurants listed under "notable establishments" are notable in any way? It seems to be simply a list of restaurants that claim to serve New Haven-style pizza. Should the section be renamed, perhaps to simply "List of restaurants serving New Haven-style pizza"? Dewey Finn (talk) 23:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I went beyond this. Not only have I removed most of the list of establishments, I've also reduced another list to just towns/cities which contain sources of the Good Stuff.  This should read a bit better. - Denimadept (talk) 21:40, 17 February 2009 (UTC)