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Lead map image
Can you please change the picture in the infobox to New Jersey in United States (zoom).svg? Some people may not have good vision to see New Jersey's location clearly so if it's zoomed, it may help. 6 of the 8 smallest states (including this one and New Hampshire) have locations zoomed in so I believe this one should follow suit as well. 2601:183:101:58D0:3545:2E73:437A:CAC9 (talk) 14:41, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I won't do this automatically, as it should be discussed, but I do think this is a worthy discussion to have. As the anon notes, there are maps that have inserts that zoom in in the smallest states, including New Jersey. Should we use that as the map image here? On one hand, it is a relatively small state by area, so can be difficult to see on the full map even when highlighted. On the other hand, the way the zoom is handled on that map obscures a good chunk of the rest of the country. In other words, I like the principal, but the execution of that image is less than satisfactory to me. What do others say? oknazevad (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you please consider notifying others about this so we can discuss whether this image is worthy enough to be placed in the infobox? --2601:183:101:58D0:3545:2E73:437A:CAC9 (talk) 15:39, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion it should be zoomed, too small. Kpgj hpjm  16:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2018
Change "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, sold 10 million copies internationally.[citation needed] " to The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, sold 10 million copies internationally.
 * CatherineLuc (talk) 00:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. oknazevad (talk) 00:08, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2019
Please remove the last paragraph in the culture section. There is no reason to mention the nonsense in this paragraph. New Jersey is a beautiful place! You guys should talk about all the beautiful places in the state. Eagle8800 (talk) 14:56, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
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Music
I think the list of musicians with ties to New Jersey can be moved to Music of New Jersey or become its own stand alone list. What we really need is a paragraph on New Jersey music for this article. The only reason I have not boldly removed the list of musicians from this article is that I do not yet have a paragraph to replace it. I don't know if anyone else has interest in throwing something together. Knope7 (talk) 17:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2019
My suggested change is to add Speedwell Ironworks to the section " National Parks, Monuments, and Historic Landmarks " because Speedwell Ironworks receives an operating grant from the state of New Jersey for being a Historic Site. IanElsa (talk) 17:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. Good suggestion. oknazevad (talk) 18:12, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2019
The Wikpiedia page for New Jersey shows the wrong area (square miles) for New Jersey and doesn't show any sorce for the (incorrect) area that is shown. According to the State of New Jersey's official webpage, New Jersey has a total area of 8,204.37 square miles. Here is the link: https://nj.gov/nj/about/facts/fastfacts/

Thank you 63.226.23.69 (talk) 22:54, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The source is the US Census Bureau's 2010 Census of Population and Housing on page 41. Reference is in the linked List of U.S. states and territories by area. All 50 states use this source, as far as I know. I couldn't tell you how the Federal Government and the State of New Jersey don't agree on this. --Michael Greiner 23:16, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
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Combined Statistical Areas
This page says that New Jersey lies completely within the CSAs of New York City and Pennsylvania. However, as of the new delineations in September 2018, Warren County is no longer part of the NYC CSA. Therefore, this statement is false. Any suggestions on what to change it to? Walkyo (talk) 13:10, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

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New Jersey as a peninsula
I'm not sure calling New Jersey a peninsula in the first line helps people get a good idea of the geography of the place. I was personally quite confused just now. Consider that Florida illustrates the article on a peninsula on Wikipedia, and how different those two states are in their relation with water. Further, the peninsulas listed in the Britannica article that supports the Wikipedia article bear no resemblance to New Jersey: the land is surrounded by bodies of water at least several kilometres wide, not a river. Taking the argument to the extreme, we could call a peninsula all the land between the Mississipi river and the Atlantic, which seems absurd. I don't know if people in New Jersey are particularly attached to the notion of being "peninsular"; but I'd simply remove that reference.

MiG-25 (talk) 23:57, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * agreeFamartin (talk) 00:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * As a New Jerseyan, also agree. The very southern end, where the Deleware River widens to the Delaware Bay can possibly be considered a peninsula, but even there Cape May is, well, a cape. The state isn't usually considered a peninsula. oknazevad (talk) 04:55, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

I live in Long Island, NY. Whenever I enter NJ, I take a 1.5 mile bridge into the state. If it were a peninsula, NY-440’s mile system would be screwed over. Whenever I enter PA I almost always go through NJ. The Delaware River Toll Bridge on I-95 is not even 1 mile. 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:2B (talk) 22:53, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2020
Can you mention how despite in the NJ vs VA Plan NJ was inferior to VA, that now it has over 400,000 more people? 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:2B (talk) 22:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌. Not clear what you are asking. What plan? Plan to do what? El_C 22:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I think they're referring to the Constitutional Convention proposals, but analysis of those plans is little out of scope for this article. --Xanzzibar (talk)

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Change "border" to "state line" in the description of the extent of the Garden State Parkway
Change "border" to "state line" in the description of the extent of the Garden State Parkway. States have state lines between them, not borders. Borders define the boundaries between nations/countries. The U.S. Border Patrol does not have jurisdiction or conduct operations along the boundaries between states, aka state lines. Jim Manley MSCS (talk) 19:27, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Native American occupation
"New Jersey was inhabited by Native Americans for more than 2,800 years"

That sounds like a rather recent lower limit. According to History of New Jersey it's not even oldest known archaeological site. Lavateraguy (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I'd assume it's probably referring to some specific subset of inhabitation, such as continuous, long-term settlement by a particular people or Woodland period settlement. I don't see anything in the body or related articles to corroborate that, though. We definitely need some properly sourced background on the area's pre-Colonial history. --Xanzzibar (talk) 19:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Garden State
The author(s) of the article completely missed the meaning of "the garden state". From earliest America and on New Jersey had a booming farming output which New York / City relied on - and thus New Yorkers nick named it so - it had nothing to do with "dress up" gardening (but allot to do with botanics).

added 7/24/20 by mtcabeza or jjbielas

According to the NJ Department of Agriculture webpage: https://www.nj.gov/agriculture/about/overview.html

"Food and agriculture are New Jersey's third largest industry, behind pharmaceuticals and tourism, bringing in billions of dollars in revenue to the state.

In 2017, the state's more than 9,000 farms generated cash receipts of more than $1 billion. The nursery/greenhouse/sod industry remained the leading commodity group, followed by fruits and vegetables, field crops, equine, poultry and eggs and dairy." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.215.228.183 (talk) 23:20, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2020
Under Demographics, State Population, 4th paragraph, 2nd sentence.

Currently it states population increase of 213,750 for 2.4% increase.

Correct data are 90,296 for a 1.0% increase.

Also, this should not be a sentence by itself. Should be a continuation of the first sentence.

Thanks! 24.211.87.121 (talk) 17:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
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Just a note about Boardwalk Length
The Atlantic City Boardwalk is 4 Miles in length. It's not till you combine the Altantic City Boardwalk and the Ventnor City Boardwalk together that you get the 5.5 Miles that holds the world record. Beating the 5.2 Mile Boardwalk in Rigolet Newfoundland.

[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/longest-boardwalk-rigolet-finished-1.3264514#:~:text=Not%20only%20the%20people%20that,continent%2C%20running%20about%208.4%20kilometres. Rigolet NL, holds the record for longest single city Boardwalk. ]

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2021
The word “state” is misspelled in the first paragraph as part of the following statement: “and on the southwest by Delaware Bay and the sate of Delaware.” 98.109.218.116 (talk) 17:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --Xanzzibar (talk) 17:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2021
change “mic 20th century” to “mid 20th century” 2600:1002:B128:DAB0:E00C:A76F:5E84:58B7 (talk) 15:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:31, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2021
"Geography" section

"Prominent geographic features" subsection

"Jersey Shore" bullet point

In the sub-bullet, the phrase "highest number of" is duplicated, with the first instance being plain text, and the second being part of the "highest number of oceanside boardwalks in the United States" link.

"On the "Shore", New Jersey hosts the highest number of highest number of oceanside boardwalks in the United States."

Request to remove the plain text "highest number of" so that the phrase is not repeated. 2600:1012:B015:5402:36BB:C389:ECF7:7E24 (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done . Good catch. oknazevad (talk) 16:34, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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On either the intro or the Geography section, please mention that New Jersey is the only state that is a geographically a peninsula.2600:100C:A203:5B19:4150:BCE7:68B:ED4C (talk) 00:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC) https://amp.northjersey.com/amp/1332111002
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 * A number of states are peninsulas, including Florida and Michigan (twice). Lindsey40186 (talk) 13:30, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Please change the old 2010 population density map to an updated 2020 population density map (attached). Note, I used a colorblind friendly color palette. Let me know if you have questions or if you'd liked it revised. Jollyoliman (talk) 10:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC) Jollyoliman (talk) 21:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jollyoliman (talk • contribs) 21:46, February 14, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done --Xanzzibar (talk) 17:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Please change the year on the Image caption for the population density map from "New Jersey population density map (2010)" to "New Jersey population density map (2020)" Jollyoliman (talk) 22:15, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done My mistake. Fixed now. --Xanzzibar (talk) 08:32, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

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Error in article intro
This article claims that "New Jersey is the fifth-smallest state based on land area", but it isn't. It is the fourth-smallest, behind Connecticut, Delaware, and Rhode Island. This should be corrected. 2600:8805:B800:1:A8A1:284D:CCB:DA98 (talk) 21:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * It's correct. You're looking at total area on that list, not land area. Xanzzibar (talk) 01:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Birth data?
Is this section really necessary? 2600:1702:6D0:5160:1574:A107:BA5B:DE28 (talk) 22:02, 16 September 2022 (UTC)


 * It appears justified to me. Kire1975 (talk) 02:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Islam is not a denomination
So how can it be the 2nd largest denomination? Figures need breaking down into Sufi, Sunni, Shiite etc.
 * Agreed. I've changed it to "Religious Traditions", per the source, even though that feels like it might not be perfect. Kire1975 (talk) 02:14, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 January 2012
Why not add 'Newark' to the list of cities that "helped drive the Industr1al Revolution", after all it is probably the most important one.?

76.19.64.156 (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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Hurricane Sandy
Why is there nothing about Hurricane Sandy on this page? 63.3.2.130 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:49, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Factories in the 1900's
And still. This article focuses highly on military installations, gardens, and drugs. However in the 1900's New Jersey was a Flush with factories making near everything  American's sought (tooth brushes, etc), a fact easy to see as many old buildings are still standing. These were hopping in the 1970's era. By or in the late 19[90]'s many of the small factories closed due to imports etc. However New Jersey still has a strong and proud product making community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.81.201 (talk) 15:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022
Entertainment and Concert Venues Table: Add New Brunswick Performing Arts Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Brunswick_Performing_Arts_Center). Type: "Regional Theater." Location: "New Brunswick." Year Opened: "2019." JctNB (talk) 16:57, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ @JctNB Will add, thanks for your edit. Actualcpscm (talk) 15:08, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Tables
The tables in this article, especially in the "Points of Interest" section, are a bit of a mess. If someone wants to take the time to sort the entries, e.g., by year, that would be greatly appreciated. Actualcpscm (talk) 15:26, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2023
Change photo caption from "Part of Palisades Insterstate..." to "Part of Palisades Interstate..." 2600:1702:9D0:A40:CEC:B2C9:D5C7:F568 (talk) 23:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Largest municipalities
The matrix showing the largest municipalities by land area is only showing NJ's townships, and not its other types of municipalities. The city of Vineland (for example) is a little more than 68 square miles and larger than several of the townships listed. Also, the information about population needs to be updated to reflect the changes from the 2020 census listed in the table below

50.205.128.138 (talk) 20:31, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2023
"MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, the most expensive stadium ever built, is home to the NFL's New York Giants and New York Jets.[215]"

not the most expensive stadium anymore, change to 3rd most expensive Garindean (talk) 19:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)


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 * [Http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-reportedly-raising-debt-limit-on-rams-stadium-after-l-a-project-nears-5b-price-tag http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-reportedly-raising-debt-limit-on-rams-stadium-after-l-a-project-nears-5b-price-tag]
 * [Https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/20/nfl-rams-sofi-stadium-owners-approve-500-million/ https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/05/20/nfl-rams-sofi-stadium-owners-approve-500-million/]
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_stadiums Garindean (talk) 18:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * As more stadiums will be built and inflation will most likely lead to higher construction costs, I changed the caption to something that won't need maintained. --Michael Greiner 05:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored
In this edit, User:Magnolia677 reverted my edit which cited to a reliable source for the fact that truckers like to call the Garden State the Garbage State. That piqued my curiosity as to whether the derogatory nickname is used more broadly. I hadn't heard of it before I stumbled across it in the Encyclopedia of New Jersey today.

It turns out the name is surprisingly common. The late James Florio admitted before a House hearing on solid waste management policy (when he was serving in the U.S. House of Representatives) that New Jersey is called the Garbage State. That's right -- even a future governor of New Jersey called his own state the Garbage State. An essay published as a book chapter in a book about New Jersey's natural environments called it the Garbage State. There are a lot of reliable sources about New Jersey's pollution and waste management issues that call it the "Garbage State." In a few months, I plan to add a section about New Jersey's problems with environmental pollution and waste management and note the derogatory nickname in the course of that discussion. --Coolcaesar (talk) 06:51, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Okay, I took care of this. Funny, I never understood until now why there is so much open land in the Meadowlands, so close to Manhattan.  Now the development pattern of that part of New Jersey makes sense.  --Coolcaesar (talk) 19:14, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I am challenging this deletion by User:Castncoot, who failed to take the civil approach of taking this conversation to the talk page as I had strongly urged. It looks like we're about to crash into a 3RR issue. I have already reminded User:Castncoot of the Civility policy.
 * Specifically, User:Castncoot is deleting balanced, neutral and concise content supported by citations to reliable sources. When a state is called the "Garbage State" at a congressional hearing by a future governor who was then serving in Congress, and the state in question also had to sue cities in two other states before the highest court in the country because it was sick and tired of being the "Big Apple's 'open trash can,'" that's notable and should be in the main article.  For better or worse, New Jersey is the Garbage State.  Wikipedia is not censored.  See What Wikipedia is not.
 * For comparison, California is 18 times bigger than New Jersey and has 4 times the population, but has only about 300 to 350 landfills (depending on how they are counted). So 400 landfills in such a small state is clearly notable. --Coolcaesar (talk) 15:28, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * That's actually a very weak and ineffective argument. We're not trying to censor you, I can assure you of that. The point is that the content you propose is simply WP:UNDUE in terms of the relative size of the waste management economy in that state (New Jersey) which both 1) pales in comparison to the size and contribution to the state economy of the other industries given a separate subsection there including tourism, gambling, and natural resources; and in fact, retailing and finance, which constitute much larger and far more significant components of New Jersey's economy, haven't even been given their own subsections there yet &mdash; and 2) today, in 2023, waste management in New Jersey is really an unremarkable consumer staple industry contributing no more to its GDP than the waste management economies of Illinois, New Mexico, California, or even Hawaii. You then might as well include the same subsection in every U.S. state's article, because ultimately every state needs to dispose of its waste. You could perhaps add this paragraph to the Waste in the United States article or even start a separate 'History of waste management in New Jersey' article. It just happens to be of UNDUE weight for this page. A syllabic parody of the name 'Garden State' doesn't magically elevate an industry to be economically significant enough to warrant an entire paragraph and subsection on this summary U.S. state page. My argument is as clear and as civil as it can be. Castncoot (talk) 01:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I concur. Truly an UNDUE situation. Word play doesn't need a whole section. At all. oknazevad (talk) 03:04, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm of similar mind. While NJ's (now largely historical) environmental troubles are worthy of note, that's something that's covered better in the appropriate, focused articles, not as part of a top-level overview. I also don't see any particular incivility or attempts at censorship.--Xanzzibar (talk) 03:38, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

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The climate section is wrong
I have lived in New Jersey my whole life the climate part is simply wrong. New jersey is not subtropical for god's sake it snows here sometimes. I am just saying New Jersey at least the northern half including the eastern part is not subtropical. Tldr new Jersey at least the northern half is not subtropical. 2715o7 (talk) 12:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Climate section discussion
Following two reversions here and here, the User:Xanzzibar posted the following discussion on my talk page:

Continuing here: The map is anything but ambiguous. For 2071 to follow after 2016, that typo alone should render the whole document unreliable. Because of this, any reasonable person could conclude that after 2017, the Cfa goes up to Massachusetts and covers the whole of the state of New Jersey (https://imgur.com/hrRwJ9m). With the respect, the choice to rely on the old map marked "as of 2016" when a new map that is more than likely from 2017 onward is available is WP:OR. Conclusion: A better source is needed. This is posted here with the intention of seeking consensus. Kire1975 (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


 * From the literal first sentence of the abstract, "We present new global maps of the Köppen-Geiger climate classification at an unprecedented 1-km resolution for the present-day (1980–2016) and for projected future conditions (2071–2100) under climate change." You're calling an article in a respected journal that's been cited by nearly 3,000 other papers "unreliable" on extremely faulty bases. --Xanzzibar (talk) 20:32, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2023
In 2018, The top countries of origin for New Jersey’s immigrants were India (13 percent of immigrants), Dominican Republic (10 percent), Mexico (5 percent), Ecuador (4 percent), and the Philippines (4 percent). Add this information to the demographics section.

Source: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/immigrants_in_new_jersey.pdf 94.127.212.209 (talk) 07:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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 * X mark.svg Not done . Although the IP's edits all appear to be above board looking at their edit history, the use of an open proxy to edit is disallowed, and making edits on behalf of one's edit request would defeat the purpose of such a restriction. oknazevad (talk) 12:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2023
https://www.haddonfieldnj.org/information/about_our_town/hadrosaurus_foulkii_(_haddy_)_information/index.php#:~:text=a.,of%20Natural%20Sciences%20of%20Philadelphia.

One of the first intact dinosaurs in the whole world was found in Haddonfield Township New Jersey The name of the dinosaur is Hadrosaurs Foulkii. This event occurred in the southern part of New Jersey In Camden County of October 1858 It was unearthed by an individual named William Parker. The dinosaur is known to live in the period of between 70-100 million years ago. Sep166 (talk) 23:40, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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New Jersey Transit Self insured. By who?
NJ transit is self insured which means the state of New Jersey picks the tab up from tax payers when they have to pay for an accident. Who is New Jersey insured by. No1turtle (talk) 05:24, 2 October 2023 (UTC)