Talk:New Jersey Route 28/GA1

GA Review
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Hi, I'll be doing this review. My usual approach is to carefully read the article and do a preliminary copyedit, this saves us both time; review my changes and feel free to revert or discuss any edits you don't agree with. I'll mostly change the easy stuff and bring other issues here for discussion. In a second pass I'll check the sources and other GAR criteria details. This should be interesting, as I've never even read a road article, let alone reviewed one! Sasata (talk) 04:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, now I understand the main difficulty in reviewing the road articles: without any background knowledge of the road system, or any familiarity with the place names and highway numbers being used, it is difficult to mentally keep track of what is being explained. Many times I had to reread sentences more slowly and stop to try to visualize what was being described. I think when I read through it again I'll open up a detailed map in a different window to make it easier to follow along. The difficulty I had was not any fault of the structure or the prose of the article in question, which is generally well-written, but rather seems to be an inherent "quality" of road articles. Sasata (talk) 06:18, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments


 * I would like to try recasting this sentence from the lead: "Route 28 is a two- to four-lane road its entire length that passes through suburban areas and runs within a close distance of New Jersey Transit’s Raritan Valley Line for much of its length." I think it would sound better like this: "Two- or four- lanes for its entire length, route 28 passes through suburban areas, and is close to New Jersey Transit’s Raritan Valley Line for much of its length." Does this sound reasonable?
 * Hmmm now that I read it again it's not as elegant as I thought initially. I'll think more about rephrasing this. Sasata (talk) 06:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * "With the creation of the U.S. Highway System in 1926, U.S. Route 22 was designated along the route as well." Can you clarify what is implied by the latter part of this sentence
 * Made it more clear. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Route 27-28 Link" is the hyphen standard usage here? The capital L?
 * Yes, this was used in the legislation for the route. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Also legislated at this time was a spur of Route 28..." no idea what a spur is
 * Added wikilink. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "The route continues past residences with some businesses," Refactor, currently sounds like the businesses are in the residences
 * Reworded. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "... before entirely entering Bridgewater Township." Is "entirely" essential?
 * Changed to fully to indicate route goes from border of township into the township. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "The road junctions with..." don't think junction can be made into a verb... try "makes a junction with" (there's other examples in the article too)
 * Fixed. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I noticed several usages of the phrase "head through". I can't decide if that phrase is colloquial or not. Can you point to a reliable source that uses the phrase in this way?
 * I used "head through" in some areas to indicate what surroundings it passes. I changed several instances. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "The road enters a mix of residences and businesses before intersecting Plainfield Avenue," Perhaps reword, as the road probably doesn't really enter anyone's house of business
 * Changed verb to "encounters".
 * Mention of the distances between locations along the way seems to be curiously absent in the text (although I do see the summary of intersection distances in the bottom table). For example, in the sentence "Route 59 is a short route that provides access to County Route 610, passing under the Raritan Valley Line." seems to me the phrase "a short route" is an odd qualitative statement for a road article when the actual length could be given. Is it OR to get this info from a map?
 * Mileposts are not to be included in the route description. A GA audit at USRD had called for them to be removed from articles. The fact that Route 59 is a short route is discussed in its own article so I felt it was redundant to include it here. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "The route heads through urbanized residential and industrial areas," is "urbanized" more accurate than "urban"? If yes, consider a link to urbanization
 * Changed to "urban". Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Consider using a thesaurus to replace some uses of "heads" or "heads through", there are enough of them to be noticeable. Eg., extends, stretches ...
 * Changed several instances. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "...southbound direction of Route 27, which at this point turns" is "at this point" needed? Is it not obviously implied?
 * Removed. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a few uses of the phrase "was designated", but no mention of the authority that designates.
 * Mentioned in first instance that the state of New Jersey designated the highway. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Also legislated in the 1927 renumbering was a spur of Route 28," passive construction
 * Reworded. Dough4872 (talk) 02:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Part II Ok, this time I read it again with Google maps in one window, ref 1 in another, and the article in a third. More comments:


 * "Past the Somerville Circle, Route 28 becomes a 35 mph (56 km/h) road named West End Avenue that intersects County Route 644 (Frelinghuysen Avenue) and enters Somerville." How about "... that intersects County Route 644 (Frelinghuysen Avenue) just before entering Somerville." ... to better imply the short distance between F. Ave and the official start of Somerville
 * Changed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "At this intersection, Route 28 makes a left turn and heads east on 30 mph (48 km/h) Main Street, which proceeds through the business district of downtown Somerville." I'm not seeing this left turn... looks to me like it keeps going the direction it was going (south east east) and it turns into W Main st.
 * Reworded to suggest it is less of a turn. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Upon leaving the downtown area, the route turns north onto Gaston Avenue..." But before this happens the road turns from W to E Main St. Is this not significant?
 * Roads change from W to E and N to S all the time and I feel this is tedious to include. Nevertheless, I mentioned it. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "In Bound Brook, Route 28 intersects the southern terminus of County Route 525..." I'm wondering why it's not mentioned that this is also Thompson Ave?
 * Indicated CR 525 is Thompson Avenue. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "The route heads into a mix of residences and businesses, turning more to the east and becoming Bound Brook Avenue..." Looking at the map it looks like it's turning northeast, not east.
 * Fixed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "The route heads into a mix of residences and businesses, turning more to the east and becoming Bound Brook Avenue at the intersection with Marlborough Avenue." According to Google Maps, and source 1 (if I'm reading it correctly, which may or may not be true) it seems that the Route 28 becomes Bound Brook Road just slightly before Locust Avenue, which come before Marlborough Ave.
 * The SLD (source 1) says NJ 28 becomes Bound Brook Road at Marlborough Avenue. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "It intersects County Route 607 (Lincoln Avenue), where the route narrows to two lanes," which route is "the route"? 607 or 28?
 * Clarified, it is NJ 28. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "It intersects County Route 607 (Lincoln Avenue), where the route narrows to two lanes, before crossing into Dunellen." Would it be good to mention the intersection with the southern end of Warrenville Rd just prior to entering Dunellen?
 * Mentioned Warrenville Road. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Here, Route 28 heads east through residential and commercial areas before turning northeast to closely parallel New Jersey Transit’s Raritan Valley Line, which is located to the southeast of the route, as North Avenue." Sentence needs work... the way it is is open to ambiguous interpretation. How about just using parentheses instead of commas for "( which is located to the southeast of the route)" Also, is that Rail Line located southeast, or just plain south? (eg. wouldn't you say the Rail is "parallel to the south", not "parallel to the southeast"?) I'm not sure what are the proper semantics here.
 * Reworded. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "...where County Route 620 continues northeast on Front Street..." W Front Street
 * Changed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "...The route crosses the Raritan Valley Line before heading northeast..." suggest "turning" to replace "heading", as it's a left turn northeast.
 * Changed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "passes residences before crossing County Route 531 (Park Avenue) in the commercial downtown area of Plainfield." ... coinciding with the directional change of 5th St from west to east.
 * Added. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "becomes 25 mph (40 km/h) two-way Fifth Street..." E Fifth Street
 * Changed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "...with the name becoming South Avenue at Richmond Street." suggest "...at the intersection with Richmond Street."
 * Changed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "A short distance later, at the intersection with Old South Avenue..." Please clarify for me, as Route 28 (currently equivalent to South Ave) intersects thrice with this avenue: the first time with "Old South Avenue", and then twice with "Old South Ave W". Which of the three intersection events coincides with the road becoming state-maintained?
 * Indicated it was second intersection. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Route 28 turns east and enters Scotch Plains..." It looks to me like it would be more accurate to say it turns "slightly more east", rather than just "turns east". The verb "turn" is ambiguous in quantity and should be qualified with a modifier when the change in directionality is non-obvious from the context (imho).
 * Changed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "County Route 509 continues north on Broad Street..." E Broad Street
 * Changed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Past this interchange, Route 28 becomes Westfield Avenue..." W Westfield
 * Changed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "Here, the road junctions with County Route 619 (Locust Street) and County Route 627" junctions
 * Fixed. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "The route intersects County Route 616 (Linden Road), forming a brief concurrency with that route until it turns north onto Galloping Hill Road." Ambiguous. To what does the "it" refer?
 * Clarified, the county route. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wondering why ndashes aren't used in the table to separate mile distances.
 * Added ndashes. Dough4872 (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Finally
 * Ok, I'm satisfied. I'll leave it to you to decide if you want to include some roadway volume/traffic count information as found here. Congratulations! Sasata (talk) 00:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * Prose is reasonably well written; article complies with MOS.


 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c(OR):
 * Sources are sparse but reliable, and citation density is appropriate. I've carefully followed the prose of the route description, comparing to Google Maps, to verify accuracy.
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * Coverage is comparable to other GA-quality road articles.
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * All images have appropriate free use licenses.
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail: