Talk:New Model Army (band)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 02:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

I'll add comments below as I go through. It might take me a couple of days to get through the article.
 * The given source says the band were formed in the autumn of 1980, not in October. October was the date of their first gig.  It also doesn't say that Justin Sullivan's nickname or stage name (not sure which is intended) was "Slade The Leveller", nor does it mention Thomas Fairfax.
 * Changed to autumn, cited Slade the Leveller and Fairfax


 * What makes twbooks.co.uk a reliable source? It appears to be someone's self-published hobby site.
 * Removed


 * There's no source for the statement that Joolz Denby is their art designer.
 * Sourced, and moved, it's not important enough for the lede


 * "The band eschews the typical commercialism and trappings of the music business, for example playing charity concerts or benefits without any promotion": the given source is Joolz Denby writing on the NMA website. This isn't a very good source for statements that assess the band; websites created by a band about themselves fall into the self-published category and can only be used for uncontroversial factual statements about the subject of the site.
 * Removed


 * I understand the intent of having an overview section, but that's what the lead is for. Once you've addressed the comments on this section, I think you'd be better off moving some of this material up into the lead.
 * Done


 * I think "patronage" is too strong a word for John Peel's involvement. I know how influential Peel was in those days, and certainly if he played their singles and made approving comments that would have helped them, but all the source says is that he played the singles frequently on his show.  I don't think you can go beyond that.
 * Done


 * The given source doesn't say they played on The Tube, only that Gray described them.
 * Found another source using the word "introduced"


 * There's no source for the comments about the song "Vengeance"; the following source only discusses Heaton.
 * I've used the primary source of the NMA website for this; it's not important enough to worry about though and could be changed just to mention the songs that were played.


 * The first part of "The major label years" section is unsourced.
 * I've added some cites. Going to carry on with the rest of the article now... might take another day or two.
 * OK; I see you're working in a sandbox so I won't verify the changes you've made just yet. No hurry; just let me know when you're ready for me to take another look at the article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 09:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to stop there and let you address some of these. If you hadn't waited so long for a review, I'd consider failing this immediately; there's a lot of work to do just in few paragraphs I've looked at so far. If you'd like to work on it I'll keep going but I think you'd be better off letting me fail it and working to clean up these issues before renominating it. I'd be happy to give you comments on the rest of the article on the talk page if you want me to. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:13, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes, this is my first GA and as such I do need some pointers. Most of the issues seem to be with sourcing - some of these are down to me, and some were in the article before I rewrote it and I admit I didn't check them all carefully enough.  Can you give me a day to go through the whole thing and I'll ping you when I'm done?  (If you still think it's a fail then OK).  Fair enough?  Thanks, Laura Jamieson (talk) 13:44, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That's fine; just let me know what you want to do. I'll be happy to help out either way. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mike. Laura Jamieson (talk) 14:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Everything above looks good now. I'll go through again and add notes below. -- I've now done a complete pass, and the above points are the only issues that I spotted. I still need to check image copyrights and do a few more spotchecks on sources, but otherwise this meets the GA criteria. I'll try to get to the image and source checks this evening. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * There's no need for citations in the lead except after a direct quote. Everything in the lead should also be in the body, and since it should be cited in the body it's unnecessary to repeat the cite in the lead.  Personally, if I use a quote in the lead, I also use it in the body, but others don't do that -- sometimes a quote is a nice summarization for the lead, though often that means it can serve the same purpose towards the end of the article body, too.
 * Done. Both cites are used elsewhere anyway.
 * At work but I just noticed you dropped the cite on the direct quote in the lead; we do need to have that -- direct quotes always get cited no matter where they are. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Whoops - yes, sorry, I've put it back. Not concentrating there! Laura Jamieson (talk) 18:01, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you provide citations for the information in the timeline? One way to do this is to have an introductory sentence or a caption, saying something like "Timeline showing when each major contributor was in the band, and which instruments they played", and adding the footnote to the end of that.
 * Done. I've used the official biography here because it's more accurate than other bios (i.e. it'll say "July 19xx" rather than "after the release of album X" but I've included the other sources as well.)
 * In 'Sullivan and Heaton's "musical paths had diverged" ' why is "musical paths had diverged" in quotes? It doesn't appear to be a quote from either source given.
 * Now ... I added that, where did I get it from? I can only think that might've been a quote from the "Dog and Wolf" film but I've replaced it with Sullivan's quote from the web interview which is probably better anyway.  (Edit: it was from the film.  Not to worry.)
 * Everything looks good; images are fine; source spotcheck turned up no issues, so I'm passing this. Congratulations on your first GA!  If I can help with any questions on any future articles, please just let me know. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 22:02, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Mike! Thanks for all your help. I shall start on my next one now :)  Laura Jamieson (talk) 22:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)