Talk:New Music Seminar

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (Many of the items on the page have recently been deleted which the information has been up for years with no contest. The new updates are facts based on performers and discussion of the music festival. Many other festivals have breakouts that show their lineups. Artist on the Verge is part of the New Music Nights which is the festival portion of the Conference. We have been updating with facts and have gone back to delete adjectives which would make the page appear subjective. We are only putting up the facts of attendance and speakers such as keynotes and had some quotes which were sourced. While there may have been some wording which may seem subjective to some people, we have been working on fixing it to show the facts, yet to request a speedy deletion for some recent updates that are stating facts is a bit overboard. We had some warnings pop up and we addressed them, then some others re-did the entire page taking out proper facts, that were not promotional and flagged this. Again, we have been working on this to just state the facts. Thank you. ) --Schwingep (talk) 19:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It would be better when you sourced those facts with independent third party, prior published, reliable sources, conform Wikipedia:Reliable Sources. The Banner talk 23:32, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Last version that wasn't self-promotional: 9 May 2011. Since then, it has been filled to overflowing with hype. I say we gut it and get it back down to the basics again. A complete chronicle of the New Music Seminar and who the keynotes were and all its "rave reviews" yada yada does not belong here, especially if that info is not documented in an objective third-party source we can cite. Just say what when and where, who started it and who's running it now. They can use their own website for promotion and detailed history. —mjb (talk) 02:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

SXSW lists their keynotes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_by_Southwest and Bonnaroo lists their performers by year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Bonnaroo_Music_Festival so why is it not acceptable to have that here as well?
 * Sorry, but every article is judged on its own merits, so comparing with others is useless. The Banner talk 15:48, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm just confused as to how at one point we are told to conform to Wikipedia:Reliable Sources standards and at another we are told that each article is judged on its own merits. Could someone please clarify so that we may move forward? Nat.Lub. (talk) 19:53, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

A new start
As mjb points out, 9 May 2011 was the last non-promotional version. (Unfortunately, also without reliable sources.)

I suggest that we revert to that version and that interested parties can start building on that in a neutral way and based on reliable, prior published, independent sources. The Banner talk 16:03, 6 November 2014 (UTC)