Talk:New Providence, New Jersey

Deleted my discussions on the speed traps, since they are long gone.--Matthew McCullough 20:43, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Added Our Lady of Peace as a private school in the education section. OLP goes from Pre-k to 8th grade. Also added it as a landmark, with the yearly OLP fair. --Matthew McCullough 21:47, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ideas for expansion
If we are still looking for things to add to the page, why not NPHS athletics. i know there is alot of championship years hanging in the gym, so we could maybe have a section about which years we won, and such. Also, band championships, because i know for a fact that our band has some pretty noteable achievements. What do you guys think?--Matthew McCullough 23:43, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This should be added to the New Providence High School page, not here. --Larsinio 14:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Photography Group
Added a link for a photography group I formed on a photogtaphy website called Flickr. The group photo pool has a collection of pictures taken in New Providence. I hope that one day, the pool will be a very large collection, and a photographic documentation of New Providence. Group can be found here. --Matthew McCullough 03:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Removed sentence, "Currently it is ranked eighth in the entire state of New Jersey .". Source was from 1997. Please don't replace this sentence without a current source, or change the sentence to say, "In 1997...etc". Made some corrections to the Hillview entry, hillview was never a middle school, up until the early 90s 7th and 8th grade instruction took place at the elementary schools -- hillview was actually a third elementary school, up until the early 80s (i believe) when the district started leasing it to a private child care company, since it didn't have the students to fill it. Removed Lexus Nexus as a famous resident, since it isn't a person. If someone wants to start a section of NPHS companies (we have a few biggies, aside from Bell Labs: Bard, Aircast, Reed Elsivier), taht information should go there. BRILLIANT WORK ON THE LIST OF SPEED TRAPS. Added livingston avenue. REPLACED REFERENCES TO RACISM LAWSUIT IN SCHOOL SECTION - whomever keeps deleting it -- if you do not participate in the discussion thread, and explain your reasons for removing it, your future change will be reported as vandalism and your IP will be BLOCKED from wikipedia. Please just post here so we can actually start a discussion about it. You cannot just keep going and making changes without stating a reason, if the change is controversial. Reasons for keeping the note about the lawsuit in are already listed in this thread. 69.249.46.86 16:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed the culture section, which was empty. Removed reference to a "famous resident" who doesn't exist, at least according to google. Removed reference to the "Towne Deli" as a landmark. Added a paragraph under schools regarding the recent lawsuit against the school district, and a source for this paragraph at the bottom. Added a history section and put some basic information in. Unlinked "presbyterian church" in the famous landmarks section. The link was pointing to presbyerianism, which doesn't seem appropriate. If someone has a chance to write a wiki page for the new providence presbyterian church, please add the link back in.

Removed some trash from this discussion page.

And Wikipedia is not a joke. Please. Don't write stuff about some kid you hate, or put yourself in the famous people section. Show some maturity. If you really think NP sucks bad or NP is awesome, add some FACT BASED information to the Wiki. There are plenty of great things and plenty of terrible things to say about NP. So maybe if people from both sides get involved we can have a well written, comprehensive wiki page that doesn't endorse a specific viewpoint.

This is an outstanding place - an opportunity for the aggressive to dig in and define the righteous cause in which to ascertain untold wealth, and disperse appropriately. Behold: A notable peril (at least a few years respite before hell) for those who seek to venture forth (note Andrew Faust - I'm sorry Andrew Fastow, Class of NPHS ~1985) without conscience. So go with an ethical posture, as there is much to be gained, and even more to be shared for the betterment of humankind. Amen. - Edmund the Junior

References to Racism Lawsuit
Whoever removed the references to the racism lawsuit from the school section, can you explain why you felt that was necessary? It's current, and extremely relevant, even if it is not good news. I added it back. Please post your changes to the discussion wiki.

Towne Deli
I agree, it probably doesn't belong in the "Landmarks" section. However, I left NP in 1986 to live in England, but I still come back every once in a while. Every time I do, I go and get a sub from the Towne Deli. It's one of the few places that hasn't changed in the last twenty years, even if I have. Jfbcubed 22:31, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Towne Deli makes a dynamite sandwich, but I agree it's hardly a landmark. It's pretty indistinguishable, a lot of people aren't even aware of its existence, and I highly doubt much of NP feels the Towne Deli identifies the town. 69.249.46.86 16:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Avenue deli is much better anyway.. Anyone have more historical research, perhaps from the historical society about New prov? Im thinking about goign ot the historical socitey one day but being sppleiud the info would be easier.--Larsinio 17:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Governmental form being misused as identity of places
In our articles of communities in the United States, the form of government is replacing the identity of the community. This is leading to problems identifying the true history of the places. The governmental form may change often and is not the community. The community may even change its name in from time to time, but it still is the same community. When an Indian village, site, or territory becomes a European settlement and increases in size through the differences that may be see in discussion of hamlet, village, town, or city -- it still is the same place with the same people, houses, and churches.

Changing governmental form does not make the community disappear, it merely changes its governmental form. Adopting a new governmental form does not make the community disappear and a brand new one appear. A community continues to exist unless the site is abandoned. I think that our articles about these communities should reflect that continuity. Otherwise one receives the impression of a much shorter, and disjointed, history.

Our articles fail to make this clear because there is a focus upon governmental systems for communities in the United States. There being no profound understanding of the local governmental systems in all countries, it does not seem to be a problem with our articles about communities in other countries.

When a new governmental system (using township as an example) is abandoned by the separate communities that had been governed by it, but the areas that had been essentially uninhabited (or sparsely inhabited without communities), in the area governed by the township -- retain the governmental form and continue to grow themselves -- that is the beginning of some new communities. One may date the creation of these communities, most of which still exist. The new community, a township without any towns, typically, contains areas that had not been part of the communities that withdrew to return to smaller local government.

That is the case with so many New Jersey townships that were abandoned as governmental forms by communities that wanted to return to the smaller local governmental oversight they enjoyed before becoming a part of the large governmental system of a township -- after that new form of government was created in the United States.

Fierce and unnecessary arguments about this self-inflicted confusion have ensued in Wikipedia over this issue. Pride in the date of the earliest settlement of a community is almost universal. Affront at it being ignored is quite understandable. Correct and complete information should be our goal. Perhaps we can eliminate the confusion by discussing the communities as villages, towns, and cities "governed by a ...... system" and then discussing them as communities, simplify our United States articles, and avoid having to have multiple or absurd clarifying articles for the same communities. (I see articles referring to New Amsterdam, call it, "the City of New York", when that community was neither a city nor New York.)

Well, perhaps we can make changes in the way we create the articles, and realize that some sources are dealing only with governmental systems, not the cultural or local identity. Here is a stab at it. Sorry about the length of the discussion... 83d40m 17:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Semi-Dry?
Is that correct? I am fairly certain that at both Chen's and Jose's alcoholic beverages are served.JD Guyer 03:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)  Yes, we are semi dry. People can bring alcohol to restaurants and have it served to them, and we have three liquor stores too. However, no hotel, restaurant, or any business establishment can sell a drink, there are no bars. This type of law is typical of NJ home rule hisotry

This is now wrong. New Providence Bar and Kitchen has a full bar. https://www.tapinto.net/towns/new-providence/sections/food-and-drink/articles/two-new-providence-restaurants-to-obtain-liquor-l — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.172.39.131 (talk) 02:47, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

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Sister City
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I was walking around town and stumbled on the 9/11 memorial and how it was created in Flower Mound, Texas. After further research, it turns out that Flower Mound and New Providence are sister cities. The only source I could find is here SeizureSaladdd (talk) 02:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC)