Talk:New Romantics (song)

Single cover
Can you please explain why you reverted me here without leaving an edit summary? I removed File:Taylor Swift - New Romantics (Official Single Cover).png on the basis that it does not meet criterion 8 of the non-free content criteria, which states:


 * Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. (emphasis mine)

The non-free use rationale on the file page states that The image is used for identification in the context of critical commentary of the work for which it serves as cover art ... to show the primary visual image associated with the work, and to help the user quickly identify the work and know they have found what they are looking for. This rationale would make sense if the cover was attached to a single that is sold to the public, which it is not. The reader therefore gains nothing from this image being here, which means we are using non-free content for no reason which defeats the purpose of Wikipedia being a free encyclopedia. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 19:36, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why this even matters if there are various single covers out there that don't have this same reasoning of why it should even be removed. For instance, look back at the covers for "Wildest Dreams" or "Out of the Woods" or even "Style!" None of them were really released for digital download as a single, but all of them use the cover art for promotion of the song. And these aren't the only ones out there either! But these were released as promotion towards the single releases, as well as being released from Taylor's official label. Even if you don't see this occurrence now, you'll find out for yourself in the future. OZODOR (Talk to me!) 03:06, 28 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I've actually tried to remove the non-free album cover at the "Style" article and replace the "Out of the Woods" cover with one that was actually sold... guess who reverted me both times? You did. Bringing up other articles is a moot point because that doesn't necessarily mean what they're doing is correct. If a non-free album cover isn't enhancing the reader's understanding - in this case, it's not meeting the fair-use rationale by helping the reader visually identify any of these works - it has no place on Wikipedia. Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 13:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 23 March 2016

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The result of the move request was: Move. We have clear consensus that New Romanticism is primary for this term. Cúchullain t/ c 15:10, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

New Romantics → New Romantics (song) – On 23 February, OZODOR performed an inappropriate cut-and-paste move from New Romantics (Taylor Swift song). WP:PTOPIC states: "A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." New Romanticism (members of the movement being called New Romantics) is an article with extensive book sourcing that suggests it is likely to have more long-term significance than this Swift song. (No other notable songs share this title, so I don't see the need for additional disambiguation.) Chase (talk &#124; contributions) 20:50, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * New Romanticism is the primary topic here. There's one other song (a 2015 single by Hands Like Houses) but if Stand by Me (song) doesn't need further disambiguation when there's an Oasis song with the same name (#2 in UK chart; the album it's on, and other singles from that album, all reached #1) then this doesn't. Peter James (talk) 00:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Reasonable compromise. SST  flyer  09:10, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Question this digital bonus track was only #71. Is that better or worse than New Romantics (Hands Like Houses song)? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:54, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think so. At least notability has clearly been established for this song. SST  flyer  14:42, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Support it is much more likely that New Romanticism is the primary topic (at least for now) given how much more attention it has gotten over this song. No prejudice against moving it back if the song gains more attention later on, though. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


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WikiProject Taylor Swift importance
Given that Rolling Stone considers this the second best song in her career to date, shouldn't this have higher than "low" importance in WikiProject Taylor Swift? I am asking here rather than changing this as I must admit that I am not that familiar with WP Taylor Swift's importance ratings. -- The SandDoctor Talk 21:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ^ -- The SandDoctor Talk 21:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 11 November 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Material  Works  23:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

New Romantics (song) → New Romantics – Per WP:DIFFPLURAL. New Romantic is a distinct topic. Ambiguity can be solved by a WP:HATNOTE. estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:31, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Aren't New Romantics simply members of the New Romantic movement? In most cases, plurals redirect to singular topic names on Wikipedia. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose: The "New Romantics" is a group of people. The song title references that group of people and does not displace their notability. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * Comment I think New Romantic is poorly titled and should probably be moved to something like New Romantic movement. (Note: This is solely on the grounds of preferred title; I am not making any claims about primary topic.) -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣</b><b style="color:black"> ♠</b> 05:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In fact, it should probably be moved to New Romantics! That was how it was most commonly seen. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I'll note that List of New Romantics currently exists. Wikipedia is not a source; however, this does seem to suggest that New Romantic also exists in the plural. 162 etc. (talk) 17:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. New Romantics is often seen as a term for those who followed the New Romantic movement and is the primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:34, 14 November 2023 (UTC)