Talk:New Year (song)/GA1

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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 16:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Happy to take this one. Review to follow soon. J Milburn (talk) 16:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

The sourcing looks good. J Milburn (talk) 16:54, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As with the last one, if it's "the Sugababes", make sure that's what's used everywhere.
 * Done Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "were formed in 1998 by founding members" Redundancy
 * Not really sure what's redundant here? Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course they're the founding members if they formed it. J Milburn (talk) 10:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done Till  08:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "accapella" a cappella?
 * Done Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "Their manager, Ron Tom," Whose manager?
 * Donaghy's Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "Multiple B-sides were featured to accompany the single, including "Forever", "Little Lady Love" and "Sugababes on the Run"." This implies there were more B-sides. Why not "Three B-sides were featured to accompany the single: "Forever", "Little Lady Love" and "Sugababes on the Run"."
 * Wrote something similar Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ""New Year" was omitted from the" How about "not included"?
 * I think omitted is more effective. Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "beats, bass, strings, guitar and keys," You're listing both song components and instruments together. Perhaps just list the instruments used?
 * Don't really know how to differentiate b/w them? Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "Beats" are not an instrument. "Strings" and "keys" are parts of instruments. A "guitar" is an instrument. "Bass" can either be an instrument or part of the music. J Milburn (talk) 10:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ""New Year" "tells [a tale] of festive fumblings to Last Christmas"" Fumblings to Last Christmas? I don't follow.
 * Her words :/ Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What do they mean? There's no point us quoting something if we don't know what it means. J Milburn (talk) 10:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "and through lines such as "I'm older than my years, drowning in my tears" the Sugababes are shown singing with insight.[16]" Not clear what that means.
 * :/ Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you're meaning to say that the band are performing in a deep, meaningful way, you're going to need to attribute the thought. It's not really something we can say in our neutral voice. J Milburn (talk) 10:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It does: "According to Betty Clarke of The Guardian..." Till  08:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "According to the Daily Mail, the Sugababes avoid sounding "mushy" on the album's ballads such as "New Year" and "Look at Me"" I don't know what "mushy" means, and the mention of the album/"Look at Me" isn't really adding much.
 * Removed the 'Look at Me' bit Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "picked it out as one of the newspaper's favourite Christmas songs" Personification?
 * Yeah Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that's probably something we should avoid. J Milburn (talk) 10:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, that's what the article says. Till  08:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "making it their eighteenth highest-selling single there." The band's? By what date? Can't have been at the time.
 * Clarified Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "One Touch (album). Sugababes. Universal Island Records. 2000." Again, you're citing the booklet, I assume, not the album
 * Done Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Concerning File:Sugababes-Newyearcover.JPG, 300 by 300 pixels should be fine.
 * I don't know how to do this. Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Was it performed much at the time of the original release? Concert tours, for instance?
 * Not really sure. Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, this would presumably be important information. You spend a whole paragraph leading up to one performance years after it was released, but don't mention anything from the time? J Milburn (talk) 10:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't find sources that mentioned "New Year" being performed at said time. Till  08:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * This article says that the song was performed on tour. Could you perhaps take another look around? J Milburn (talk) 18:03, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "The song received rave reviews from critics" Informal.
 * Not really :/ Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The OED lists 6 meanings of the word "rave"; three are nouns, three are verbs. It doesn't list however you're meaning to use it. J Milburn (talk) 10:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Reworded Till  08:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ta, Till  05:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Some sources you may wish to use-


 * "SUGABABES: New Year (London) - It mentions Christmas in the lyrics but it's a New Year grower. 8/10"
 * "SUGABABES: New Year (London) - It mentions Christmas in the lyrics but it's a New Year grower. 8/10"


 * The Express December 21, 2000 "TURKEYS THAT BECOME FESTIVE CHART-TOPPERS" DOMINIC UTTON Pg. 14
 * "The only interesting contenders are Sugababes, whose song New Year is far too good to make No1, Eminem, the American bad-boy rapper, whose song Stan, a skewed, vicious tale of obsessive fandom and suicide, may have peaked too soon and Bob the Builder, currently top with a three-minute contribution so annoying that it does, indeed, feel like a throwback to the good old days of Noddy Holder and co."

Ok, some thoughts. The first two I'm willing to let slide, but the others definitely need dealing with before I can promote. Also, take a look at the sources I cited above. You don't have to use them, but I thought they may be useful. J Milburn (talk) 15:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above, there is the problem with undue weight/recentism/possibly WIAGA#3a concerning the performances.
 * The review section feels basically like a list of quotes. That's not a particularly good writing style.
 * Concerning "The song was raved by critics"- that doesn't mean what you think it means. It's not at all clear what you're trying to say here.
 * "A journalist from the BBC wrote that the single as "lives up to the hype" and praised the inclusion of lyrics about Christmas as "without sounding remotely contrived"." Poor writing
 * "on the album's ballads" - This article isn't about the album. It's about the song.
 * I do not think that the live performance could possibly be interpreted as promotional.
 * "During the video, the group's members sing in front of a white background, while computer graphics such as snow, letters and butterflies appear throughout." More clumsy writing
 * Ok, this has stagnated- there have been no edits to the article or the review page in over a week, and problems remain. I'm going to close the review. I recommend you renominate once these issues have been dealt with. J Milburn (talk) 19:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)