Talk:New York School (art)

Embry
Norris Embry Norris Embry is listed as a Beat poet. He was an abstract expressionist painter. Rev. H. Carlton Earwiggherd (talk) 14:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

School
The New York School which represented the New York abstract expressionists of the 1950s was documented through a series of exhibitions commenced with the 9th Street Art Exhibition in 1951 and followed by consecutive exhibitions at the Stable Gallery, NYC: Second Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture, 1953; Third Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture, 1954; Fourth Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture, 1955; Fifth  Annual Exhibitions of Painting and Sculpture, 1956 and Sixth  New York Artists’ Annual  Exhibition, 1957. ; ; ; ; ;

1957 represented the end of the New York School and the beginning of Pop Art and the following movements. Changing dates in the article without any reference in my opinion is inappropriate. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia. It is free for all to participate in but it is not free to alter without reference.

The “List of New York School artists of the 1950s” was modified with the addition of “and 1960s.” A number of names were added with birthdates of 1945 and 1947. This means that the artists were 13 and 15 years old in 1960. There is no reference as to the justification of their inclusion. Upon deletion they were reverted. The “List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s” should be clarified for the following reason: Comment: I think "New York School" is not completely interchangeable with Abstract Expressionism. Certainly there were non-NY abstract expressionists. I'm not sure the term "New York School" was widely applied to anyone who was not an abstract expressionist. I think a list might be better; I also think we need to clarify the criteria for inclusion, because something like this is useless to the reader if criteria are not clear. - Jmabel | Talk 03:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC) (Salmon1 (talk) 01:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC))

Deletion of duplicate names of artists in the article New York School
I wonder if you could help me to solve the following problem: One year ago when I started to edit Wikipedia I tried to create a Category: New York School artists. This attempt was deleted. Category: New York School artists. The Category was deleted but the comments requested the list of the New York School artists.

i.e.: ''Comment: I think "New York School" is not completely interchangeable with Abstract Expressionism. Certainly there were non-NY abstract expressionists. I'm not sure the term "New York School" was widely applied to anyone who was not an abstract expressionist. I think a list might be better; I also think we need to clarify the criteria for inclusion, because something like this is useless to the reader if criteria are not clear. - Jmabel | Talk 03:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC).''

In the past I listed the New York School artists of the 1950s. The list changed by the addition of artists who were not New York School artists and the dates of birth showed that some of the newly listed artists in 1950 had to be 3 or 5 years old or 13 and 15 in 1960. When you looked at the biographies of these artists it became clear that they did not belong to the list of New York School artists. (New York School artists are not equivalent to artists from New York City.) Some of the other added artists had nothing to do with this specific group of abstract expressionists. I added new references and reentered the list of artists under the newly referenced title so the readers would find the information through clear criteria. The problem is at hand that now there is the old list which has a number of duplicate entries. I would like to delete the duplicate names for the sake of clarity. I believe that the list:List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s is blocked for editing. Would you be kind enough to let me know how to proceed? Thank you for your attention. Sincerely, (Salmon1 (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC))
 * There isn't an article List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s. If you click the link, you can start it. Tyrenius (talk) 01:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s
List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s is a paragraph in the article New York School which is the present concern.

In the past I listed the New York School artists of the 1950s. The list changed by the addition of artists from the 1960s who were not New York School artists and the dates of birth showed that some of the newly added artists had to be 3 or 5 years old in the 1950s or 13 and 15 in 1960. When you looked at the biographies of these artists it became clear that they did not belong to the list of New York School artists. (New York School artists are not equivalent to artists from New York City.) Some of the other added artists had nothing to do with this specific group of abstract expressionists.

I added new references and a paragraph:==New York School abstract expressionists of the 1950s== following with ==Complete List of Artists' Participation in the New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals, 1951-1957==. I reentered the list of artists under the newly referenced title so the readers would find the information through clear criteria.

The problem at hand is that now there is the modified old list: ==List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s== which has a number of duplicate entries. I would like to delete the duplicate names for the sake of clarity. I believe that the list:List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s is blocked for editing. Would you be kind enough to let me know how to proceed? Thank you. (Salmon1 (talk) 01:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC))


 * I can't see any block on the article. You should be able to edit it. Could you please try to be more succinct in your posts and not repeat the same information. It becomes quite an ordeal to read it. All you had to say was that the list is in the article. Thanks. Tyrenius (talk) 03:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the help. I am able to edit now. I will try to be more succinct. Sincerely, (Salmon1 (talk) 16:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC))

Lists
These long lists would be better as separate pages and are not suitable for embedding in a standard article. If moved, edit summaries need to state clearly what has been done for GFDL purposes. Tyrenius (talk) 11:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I would like to respond to your statement.

1. The article New York School represents an important era in the post-war American art history. The artists' names were listed originally in the article as one list until the list was modified and a new properly referenced list, “==Complete List of Artists' Participation in the New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals, 1951-1957==” was required. ; ; ; ; ;

2. When the names were moved to the new list each edit summary clearly stated what had been done. Please review each move.

3. The representation of artists has been an accepted method in the past for “standard articles” on Contemporary art describing movements or trends. The following examples demonstrate it: The “==List of artists from the New York art scene of the 1950s and 1960s==” at present includes a number of artists who were part of the New York School scene at the time. The list still requires references for the justification of inclusion in this parallel list. I intend to provide those references.
 * Abstract expressionism;
 * New York Figurative Expressionism;
 * Lyrical Abstraction;
 * Bay Area Figurative Movement;
 * Color field;
 * Fluxus;
 * Hard-edge painting.

Vandalism appears in many forms. To prevent it requires strict verifiability of text:

WP:NPOV, WP:V WP:NOR WP:ATT and WP:BLP.

Sincerely, (Salmon1 (talk) 21:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC))

Not really succinct, and mostly nothing to do with the point raised. To sum up your reply: you think the lists should remain in the article, because other articles have lists in them. Whether a list stays in an article or is separated out with a link depends on the length of the list(s). These are somewhat excessive to sit comfortably - thanks no doubt to your good work. Tyrenius (talk) 21:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your immediate response. Those who are interested in the subject will find the encyclopedic presentation most useful. The most difficult and unique contribution in the list of the “==Complete List of Artists' Participation in the New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals, 1951-1957==” is that it was derived from the exhibition posters. The list as such only exists in the book New York School Abstract Expressionists Artists Choice by Artists, and now it is easily accessible to all. Sincerely, (Salmon1 (talk) 21:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC))


 * Having just stumbled across this article, I agree it is rather chaotic, poorly described and poorly referenced. I've no idea why the list of people in New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals is included - there is no explanation of what it is and why this is important to the subject. The non-notable, unreferenced names are counter to the WP:LISTPEOPLE guidance. I've removed some of the non-notables, added wikilinks to a few others (whose article has been written in the last 4 years). But overall, unless an explanation is added to the article, it should probably be removed. Sionk (talk) 18:05, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Domingo Izquierdo
This artist does not belong to New York School and should be deleted. Any opinion? (Salmon1 (talk) 01:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC))
 * Never heard of him, and there is nothing much on google about an artist born in 1931 of that name that I found, although there is a youtube video. He appears to be an artist from Puerto Rico, but not a NY School artist...Modernist (talk) 02:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

moving Jack Roth name
Jack Roth did not participate in any of the "New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals (1951-1957)." Please see book: New York School Abstract Expressionists Artists Choice by Artists, His name is moved to "New York art scene in the late 1950s and 1960s." (Salmon1 (talk) 13:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC))

Removing material
Rationale: I don't see how this disorganized listcruft really explains anything about the New York School...it might work better as spinoff list articles, some it might be able to incorporated at NYS, some belongs in other articles...I haven't really thought how yet, but it doesn't work and seems to clutter the article.--ColonelHenry (talk) 17:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals, 1951–1957
The following artists appeared in the New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals, 1951–1957.

A

 * Herb Aach (1923–1985)
 * Mary Abbott (born 1921)
 * Ruth Abrams (1912–1986)
 * Peter Agostini (1913–1993)
 * Josef Albers (1888–1976)
 * Olga Albizu (1924–2005)
 * Alfred L. Copley (1910–1992)
 * Ruth Asawa (born 1926)
 * Milton Avery (1885–1965)

B

 * Alice Baber (1928–1982)
 * William Baziotes (1912–1963)
 * Robert Beauchamp (1923–1995)
 * Rosemarie Beck (1923–2003)
 * Janice Biala (1903–2000)
 * Nell Blaine (1922–1996)
 * Ilya Bolotowsky (1907–1981)
 * Rene Bouche (1906–1963)
 * Louise Bourgeois (1911–2010)
 * Paul Brach (1924–2007)
 * Ernest Briggs (1923–1984)
 * James Brooks (1906–1992)
 * Fritz Bultman (1919–1985)
 * John Button (1929–1982)

C

 * Charles Cajori (born 1921)
 * Gretna Campbell (1922–1987)
 * M. Carles (NA)
 * Nicolas Carone (1917–2010)
 * Giorgio Cavallon (1904–1989)
 * Bernard Chaet (born 1924)
 * Chase (NA)
 * Herman Cherry (1909–1992)
 * Carmen Cicero (born 1926)
 * Robert F. Conover (1920–1998)
 * Edward Corbett (1919–1971)
 * Joseph Cornell (1903–1972)
 * Martin Craig (born 1906)
 * Rollin Crampton (1896–1970)
 * Jane Crawford (born 1927)
 * Hubert Crehan (NA)
 * Ben Cunningham (1904–1975)

D

 * Nanno de Groot (1913–1963)
 * Dorothy Dehner (1901–1994)
 * Elaine de Kooning (1918–1989)
 * Willem de Kooning (1904–1997)
 * Robert De Niro, Sr. (1922–1993)
 * Jose de Rivera (1904–1985)
 * Edwin Dickinson (1891–1978)
 * Burgoyne Diller (1906–1965)
 * Lois Dodd (born 1927)
 * Enrico Donati (1909–2008)
 * Edward Dugmore (1915–1996)
 * Friedel Dzubas (1915–1994)

E

 * Thomas Brownell Eldred (1903–1993)
 * Arthur Elias (born 1925)
 * Jimmy Ernst (1920–1984)

F

 * Fred Farr (1914–1973)
 * Sam L. Feinstein (born 1915)
 * Herbert Ferber (1906–1991)
 * John Ferren (1905–1970)
 * Fick (NA)
 * Perle Fine (1908–1988)
 * Louis Finkelstein (1923–2000)
 * Joe Fiore (1925–2008)
 * Ida Fischer (1883–1956)
 * Fitzsimmons (NA)
 * Audrey Flack (born 1931)
 * Jean Follet (1917–1991)
 * Miles Forst (1923–2006)
 * Helen Frankenthaler (1928–2011)
 * Seymour Frankes (NA)
 * Jane Freilicher (born 1924)
 * Syd Fromboluti (born 1920)

G

 * Sidney Geist (1914–2005)
 * William Getman (1916–1972)
 * Ilse Getz (1917–1992)
 * Julio Girona (born 1914)
 * Fritz Glarner (1899–1972)
 * Joseph M. Glasco (1925–1996)
 * Michael Goldberg (Stuart) (1924–2007)
 * Sam Goodman (N/A)
 * Robert Goodnough (born 1917)
 * Sidney Gordin (1918–1996)
 * Adolph Gottlieb (1903–1974)
 * John D. Graham (1886–1961)
 * Balcomb Greene (1904–1990)
 * Gertrude G. Green (1904–1956)
 * Clement Greenberg (1909–1994)
 * John Grillo (born 1917)
 * Peter Grippe (1912–2002)
 * Salvatore Grippi (born 1921)
 * Joseph Groell (NA)
 * Jose Guerrero (1914–1992)
 * Philip Guston (1913–1980)

H

 * Ruth Hageman (NA)
 * Raoul Hague (1905–1993)
 * David Hare (1917–1992)
 * Grace Hartigan (1922–2008)
 * Fred Hauck (1905–1960)
 * Sally Hazelet (born 1924)
 * Raymond Hendler (1923–1998)
 * Emil John Hess (born 1913)
 * Clinton Hill (born 1922)
 * Hans Hofmann (1880–1966)
 * Charles Hodges (NA)
 * John Hultberg (1922–2005)

I

 * Angelo Ippolito (1922–2002)
 * Richard Ireland (born 1925)
 * Ben Isquith (N/A)

J

 * Harry Jackson (born 1924)
 * Alfred Jensen (1903–1981)
 * Ben Johnson (artist) (1902–1967)
 * Lester Johnson (1919–2010)

K

 * Reuben Kadish (1913–1992)
 * Wolf Kahn (born 1927)
 * Herbert Kallem (1909–1994)
 * Howard Kanovitz (1929–2009)
 * Morris Kantor (1896–1974)
 * Hubert Kappel (NA)
 * Alex Katz (born 1927)
 * Earl Kerkam (1891–1965)
 * William Kienbusch (1914–1980)
 * Frederich Kiesler (1896–1965)
 * William King (born 1925)


 * Klavin (NA)
 * Franz Kline (1910–1962)
 * Guitou Knoop (1909–1985)
 * Gabriel Kohn (1910–1975)
 * Albert Kotin (1907–1980)
 * Lee Krasner (1908–1984)
 * Albert Kresch (born 1922)

L

 * Ibram Lassaw (1913–2003)
 * Alfred Leslie (born 1927)
 * Israel Levitan(1912–1982)
 * Landes Lewitin (1892–1966)
 * Linda Lindeberg (1915–1973)
 * Richard Lippold (1915–2002)
 * Seymour Lipton (1903–1986)
 * John Little (1907–1984)
 * William H. Littlefield (1902–1969)
 * Michael Loew (1907–1985)
 * Vincent J. Longo (born 1923)
 * David Lund (born 1925)

M

 * M. Manning (NA)
 * Conrad Marca-Relli (1913–2000)
 * Marcia Marcus (born 1928)
 * Boris Margo (1902–1995)
 * Marisol Escobar (born 1930)
 * Nicholas Marsicano (1908–1991)
 * Knox Martin (born 1923)
 * Alice T. Mason (1904–1971)
 * Mercedes Matter (1913–2001)
 * George McNeil (1908–1995)
 * Deven Mead (NA)
 * Joseph Messina (NA)
 * Jeanne Patterson Miles (1908–1999)
 * Fred Mitchell (born 1923)
 * Joan Mitchell (1926–1992)
 * Hans Moller (1905–200)
 * Kyle Morris (1917–1979)
 * Robert Motherwell (1915–1991)
 * Jan Müller (1922–1958)

N

 * Reuben Nakian (1897–1986)
 * Louise Berliawsky Nevelson (1900–1988)
 * Al James Newbill (1921–2011)
 * Roy Newell (NA)
 * Nichols (NA)
 * Costantino Nivola (1911–1988)
 * Dm Newman (1911–1988)
 * Isamu Noguchi (1904–1988)

O

 * Kenzo Okada (1902–1982)
 * George Earl Ortman (born 1926)
 * Cyril Osborn (NA)
 * Alfonso A. Ossorio (1916–1990)

P

 * Stephan Pace (born 1918)
 * Charlotte Park (born 1918)
 * Ray Parker (1922–1990)
 * Felix Pasilis (born 1922)
 * Patricia Passlof (NA)
 * Philip Pavia (1912–2005)
 * Vincent Pepi (born 1926)
 * Philip Pearlstein (born 1924)
 * Howard Petersen (NA)
 * Vita Peterson (1915–2011)
 * Piller (NA)
 * Reginald Pollack (1924–2001)
 * Jackson Pollock (1912–1956)
 * Fairfield Porter (1907–1975)
 * Richard Pousette-Dart (1916–1992)
 * Melville Price (1920–1970)

R

 * Robert Rauschenberg (1925–2008)
 * Ad Reinhardt (1913–1967)
 * Wallace Reiss (1925–1978))
 * Theophil Reppke (N/A)
 * Milton Resnick (1917–2004)
 * Jeanne Reynal (1903–1983)
 * Robert Richenburg (1917–2006)
 * Larry Rivers (1923–2002)
 * Raymond Rocklin (born 1922)
 * James Rosati (1911–1988)
 * Leatrice Rose (N/A)
 * Anne Ryan (1889–1954)

S

 * Attilio Salemme (1911–1955)
 * Ludwig Sander (1906–1975)
 * Joop Sanders (born 1921)
 * Angelo Savelli (born 1911)
 * Louis Schanker (1903–1981)
 * Miriam Schapiro (born 1923)
 * Abram Schlemovitz (N/A)
 * Edith Schloss (born 1919)
 * Day T. Schnabel (born 1905)
 * Max Schnitzler (born 1903)
 * Jon Schueler (1916–1992)
 * Ethel Schwabacher (1903–1984)
 * Sonia Sekula (1918–1963)
 * Charles Seliger (1926–2009)
 * Kurt Seligmann (1900–1962)
 * Thomas A. Sills (1914–2000)
 * David Slivka (1914–2010)
 * David Smith (1906–1965)
 * Hyde Solomon (1911–1982)
 * George Spaventa (1918–1978)
 * Ray Spillenger (born 1924)
 * Nora Speyer (born 1923)
 * Jack Squire (born 1927)
 * Theodoros Stamos (1922–1997)
 * Richard Stankiewicz (1922–1983)
 * Joe Stefanelli (born 1921)
 * John Stephan (1906–1994)
 * Hedda Sterne (1910–2011)
 * Jean Steubing (NA)

T

 * Anne Tabachnick (1927–1995)
 * Yvonne Thomas (1913–2009)
 * Bradley Walker Tomlin (1899–1953)
 * Stanley Twardowicz (1917–2008)
 * Cy Twombly (1928–2011)
 * Jack Tworkov (1900–1982)

V

 * Esteban Vicente (1904–2001)

W

 * Jane Wilson (born 1924)

Y

 * Taro Yamamoto (1919–1993)
 * Manoucher Yektai (born 1922)
 * Adja Yunkers (1900–1983)

Z

 * Wilfrid Zogbaum (1915–1965)

African-American abstract expressionists of the 1950s
For African American artists a barrier to success in the post-War era was the prevailing blight of racism and segregation. This resulted in exclusion of artists of African-American origin from major exhibitions and critical attentions. The best evidence of this is the absence of African-American artists in the New York School Annuals between 1951 and 1957. These annual exhibitions represented a total of 265 New York School artists, none of whom were African-American.

Those artists would include the following:
 * Charles Alston (1907–1977)
 * Romare Bearden (1911–1988)
 * Edward Clark (born 1926)
 * Beauford Delaney (1901–1979)
 * Harlan Jackson (born 1918)
 * Norman Lewis (1909–1979)
 * Thomas Sills (1914–2000)
 * Merton Simpson (born 1928)
 * Alma Thomas (1891–1978)
 * Hale Woodruff (1900–1980)

New York art scene in the late 1950s
Marilyn Stokstad, the British art historian, wrote: ’’When the United States emerged from World War II as the most powerful nation in the world, its new stature was soon reflected in the arts. American artists and architects-especially those living in New York City-assumed the leadership in artistic innovation that by the late 1950s had been acknowledged across the Atlantic Ocean, even in Paris. Critics, curators and art historians, trying to follow art’s ‘mainstream,’ now focused on New York as the new center of modernism.’’

The post-World War II era highly benefited some of the artists who were early on recognized by the Art critics of the post World War II era. According to Irving Sandler, ‘’From 1947 to 1951, more than a dozen Abstract Expressionists achieved ‘breakthroughs’ to independent styles. Younger artists who entered their circle in the early fifties-the early wave of the second generation were also acclaimed, but with a few exceptions, their reputation had gone into decline by the end of the fifties.’’ (Sandler verified the arbitrary notion of “generation:” It refers to a group of artists close in age who live in the same neighborhood at the same time, and to a greater or lesser degree, know each other and partake of a similar sensibility, a shared outlook and aesthetic.)

Some of the New York artists having no galleries or means to get ahead took advantage of the GI Bill and left for Europe to later return with acclaim. Among them were Norman Bluhm and Sam Francis. The majority of artists from all across the US arrived in New York City to seek recognition. By the end of the decade the list of artists associated with the New York School had greatly increased. (see: Complete List of Artists' Participation in the New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals, 1951–1957)

A list of artists associated with the New York art scene of the 1950s and not included in the New York Annuals would include the following:


 * Norman Bluhm (1921–1999)
 * Art Brenner (born 1924)
 * Judith Brown (1931–1992)
 * Mary Callery (1903–1977)
 * John Chamberlain (born 1927)
 * Richard Diebenkorn (1922–1993)
 * Jim Dine (born 1935)
 * Mark di Suvero (born 1933)
 * Sam Francis (1923–1994)
 * Arshile Gorky (1904–1948)
 * Red Grooms (born 1937)
 * Raoul Hague (1905–1993)
 * Al Held (1928–2005)
 * Paul Jenkins (born 1923)
 * Jasper Johns (born 1930)


 * Allan Kaprow (1927–2006)
 * Ellsworth Kelly (born 1923)
 * Morris Louis (1912–1962)
 * Edward Meneeley (born 1927)
 * Barnett Newman (1905–1970)
 * Kenneth Noland (born 1924)
 * Claes Oldenburg (born 1929)
 * Mark Rothko (1903–1970)
 * George Segal (1924–2000)
 * Leon Polk Smith (1906–1996)
 * Clyfford Still (1904–1980)
 * Mark Tobey (1890–1976)
 * John von Wicht (1888–1970)
 * Robert Whitman (born 1935)

New York art scene in the late 1950s and 1960s
1957 represented the beginning of Pop Art and the following movements and/or trends. Painters, sculptors and printmakers associated with Abstract expressionism, Action painting, Fluxus, Color field painting, Hard-edge painting, Pop art, Minimal Art, Lyrical Abstraction, and other movements associated with New York City. During the 1950s through the early 1960s the artists often congregated at the Cedar Tavern in Greenwich Village and during the mid-1960s through the early 1970s at Max's Kansas City on Park Avenue South between 17th and 18th Streets.

The list of such artists would include the following:

B

 * Jack Wolfgang Beck (1923-1988)
 * Ron Bladen (1918–1988)
 * Joe Brainard (1942–1994)
 * David Budd (1927–1991)

C

 * Allan Hugh Clarke (1919-1979)
 * John Connell (born 1940)
 * Joseph Cornell (1903-1972)
 * Robert F. Conover (1920–1998)
 * Lawrence Calcagno (1913–1993)
 * Dan Christensen (1942–2007)
 * Chuck Close (born 1940)

D

 * Nassos Daphnis (1914–2010)
 * Allan D'Arcangelo (1930–1998)

E

 * Norris Embry (1921–1981)

G

 * Sonia Gechtoff (1926-)
 * Leon Golub (1922–2004)
 * Nancy Graves (1940–1995)
 * Chaim Gross (1904–1991)

H

 * Julius Hatofsky (1922–2006)
 * Burt Hasen (1921–2007)
 * Eva Hesse (1936–1970)
 * Budd Hopkins (born 1931)
 * Ian Hornak (1944–2002)

J

 * Lenore Jaffee (born 1925)
 * Benjy Jay (born 1986)
 * Buffie Johnson (1912–2006)
 * Ray Johnson (1927–1995)
 * Donald Judd (1928–1994)

K

 * Weldon Kees (1914–1955)
 * Lyman Kipp (born 1927)
 * Irving Kriesberg (1919–2009)
 * Nicholas Krushenick (1929–1999)
 * John Krushenick (1927–1998)
 * Yayoi Kusama (born 1929)

L

 * Ronnie Landfield (born 1947)
 * Sol LeWitt (1928–2007)
 * Roy Lichtenstein (1923–1997)
 * Lee Lozano (1930–1999)

M

 * Robert Mangold (born 1937)
 * Brice Marden (born 1938)
 * Ezio Martinelli (1913–1980)
 * Edward Meneeley (born 1927)
 * Elizabeth Murray (1940–2007)

N

 * David Novros (born 1941)

O

 * Doug Ohlson (1936–2010)
 * Frank O'Hara (1926–1966)
 * Jules Olitski (1922–2007)
 * Joe Overstreet (born 1933)
 * Claes Oldenburg (born 1929)

P

 * Larry Poons (born 1937)
 * Fuller Potter (1910–1990)

R

 * Paul Rand (1914–1996)
 * Peter Reginato (born 1945)
 * Leonard Rosenfeld (1926–2009)
 * James Rosenquist (born 1933)
 * Theodore Roszak (1907–1981)
 * Jack Roth (1927–2004)

S

 * Lucas Samaras (born 1936)
 * Alan Saret (born 1944)
 * Carolee Schneemann (1939)
 * Sean Scully (born 1945)
 * Richard Serra (born 1939)
 * Harold Shapinsky (1925–2004)
 * Alan Shields (1944–2005)
 * Kenneth Showell (1939–1997)
 * Peter Shulman (born 1937)
 * Aaron Siskind (1903–1991)
 * Tony Smith (1912–1980)
 * Robert Smithson (1938–1973)
 * Kenneth Snelson (born 1927)
 * Keith Sonnier (born 1941)
 * Nancy Spero (born 1926)
 * Frank Stella (born 1936)

T

 * Tony Towle (born 1939)
 * Richard Tuttle (born 1941)

V

 * Robert Vickers (1924–1988)

W

 * Andy Warhol (1928–1987)
 * Tom Weatherly (born 1942)
 * Lawrence Weiner (born 1942)
 * Tom Wesselmann (1931–2004)
 * Neil Williams (1934–1988)
 * Hannah Wilke (1940–1993)

Z

 * Larry Zox (1937–2006)

Article title and subject
I'm no great expert in the New York School, but I'm not sure why it has been moved to New York School (art) when it seems to largely comprise of poets. According to online descriptions such as A Brief Guide to the New York School the New York School of poetry was a 1960s phenomenon, actually different thing from the 1950s painters group. so now I'm begining to wonder whether this article is mixing its facts.

Either way, this article largely concentrates on the poets so, in my view, a better title would be something like New York School (poetry group) or New York School of Poets. Anyone else got an opinion? Sionk (talk) 21:18, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The term New York School was purportedly invented by the abstract expressionist painter Robert Motherwell to refer to abstract expressionist painting, including the abstract expressionist painting of the 1950's. The Grove Dictionary of Music adds this, however: "[New York School] A loose confederation of painters, sculptors, dancers, composers, poets and critics based in New York from approximately 1947 to 1963. Art historians apply the term to a group of artists, including Jackson Pollock, Willem De Kooning, Franz Kline, Robert Motherwell, Mark Rothko and others, who collectively established the style of American painting known as Abstract Expressionism. Musicologists apply the term to a group of composers, including John Cage, Morton Feldman, Earle Brown, Christian Wolff and David Tudor, who shared many aesthetic values with these artists, and in some cases formed deep friendships and synergies with them." TheScotch (talk) 11:29, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Here's another source from a poetry perspective (The Poetry Foundation): "A group of poets aligned with the New York School of painting in the 1950s and ’60s. A diverse group of writers, the main figures of the New York School are Frank O’Hara, John Ashbery, James Schulyer, Kenneth Koch, and Barbara Guest. Influenced by relationships and collaborations with painters such as Jackson Pollock, Willem de Kooning, Jasper Johns, and Larry Rivers, the New York School poets are known for their urbane wit, interest in visual art, and casual address. A second generation of New York School poets grew up in the 1960s and included Ted Berrigan, Alice Notley, Ron Padgett, and Anne Waldman."


 * I think there can be little question that the term New York School began with a particular movement in painting and branched out from there to include certain other arts. It didn't branch out nearly as much as this article suggested when I first came upon it, however. TheScotch (talk) 03:50, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

New York School is not New York
Editors should bear in mind that not every artist who once lived or worked in New York (a very large and diverse group that would including most famous American artists) can reasonably be called a member of the New York School. That's not what New York School means. TheScotch (talk) 03:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * But the term has been applied to many artists and it's not up to us to decide who belongs. Let the sources determine that.  freshacconci  talk to me  17:22, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Robert Atkins, in his book "Artspeak" suggests that "New York School" refers to a distinction with the pre-World War 2 School of Paris. He considers "New York School" to include "Abstract Expressionism" and possibly "Color Field" painting and "Minimalism". Bus stop (talk) 17:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: "Let the sources determine that."

You haven't provided any. I have. TheScotch (talk) 00:49, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

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Reference 29 is wrong, it should be "David Nichols" and "Getting Rid of the Glue" a chapter in "The New York Schools of Music and Visual Arts" (ed. by Steve Johnson), but I do not know how to repair the references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.165.54.38 (talk) 19:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

First generation vs second generation artists?
Should we be distinguishing in this article between visual artists of the Second Generation New York School? I see this is currently missing. Jooojay (talk) 22:52, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Missing artists
Mark Rothko Barnett Newman Clifford Still 67.241.180.130 (talk) 20:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)