Talk:New York State Route 17/Archive 1

NY-17 in Pennsylvania?

 * Since I've gotten involved in this project, I've become much more observant of the roads I drive often. I was driving on NY-17 today, and I got to that funny little part (between miles 205 and 206) where it dips ever-so-briefly into PA.  I noticed that during that short little one-mile stretch while it is in PA, there is a NY-17 sign.  So even though the road is technically in Pennsylvania, it is still signed as NY-17.  Is that unique?  Should it be mentioned on this page somewhere? -Skudrafan1 00:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * When I cleaned up this page a while ago, I thought about mentioning this odd fact (as I believe this situation occurs in only two places: NY-17 near Waverly and on another route that straddles the NY-CT border) and I think that it does deserve mentioning, IMO. --TwinsMetsFan 02:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * NY 120A is signed as an NY route despite running along the state line, even when it dips completely into Connecticut. Also, see I-684, which cuts through a corner of Connecticut for a mile or so without exits. Daniel Case 15:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I added it to the page, using this information. Feel free to edit if you'd like. -Skudrafan1 16:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Good. But the NY 34/PA 199 exit is also within PA, at least partially see here. I know the signs along the highway that say "STATE BORDER" come just before that exit when you're coming westbound. (Speaking of which, a picture of one of them would be great).


 * As an aside, we have two other instances where we run state highways very close to our land boundaries: NY 417, which I have listed as the northern terminus of PA 44 because it's about 50 feet from the state line, and NY 276, which runs right along the Canadian border for its middle third (I can't even get TopoZone to show me the topo map section, since their software says it's not in the US). We seem to be unique in this department. Daniel Case 03:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * My personal thoughts: for the NY 34/PA 199 exit, this could be noted in the notes column of the Major Intersections table. For the other highways that come close to, and ride along, the borders of New York State, I believe this info is best reserved for the individual articles discussing the route in question (such as NY-417).


 * BTW, Skudrafan1, welcome to the NYSR project. :) --TwinsMetsFan 04:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC) Minor formatting edit:TwinsMetsFan 04:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

PA-17 Reference
Quote from the article: The highway then becomes Pennsylvania State Route 17

IIRC, the PA portion of route 17, at least the one in question here, was decommissioned and completely replaced by I-86. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. --TwinsMetsFan 04:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as I'm aware of (and according to Google Earth and Wikipedia) I-86's easterly terminus is in Horseheads, Chemung County, near Elmira, New York at the intersection with NY 14. NY 17's dip into PA is actually 13.54 miles southeast (as the crow flies) of 86's easterly terminus. Also, as far as I am aware, that 1 mile stretch is the only dip NY 17 takes into PA. Please double-check my correction at Interstate 86 (east) and any questions, feel free to let me know. --Ebac on keyboard 11:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe TwinsMetsFan is speaking of this part of the article: (The highway then becomes Pennsylvania State Route 17, which merges into Interstate 90 outside Erie, Pennsylvania.) This is a completely different issue from NY-17's entrance into Pennsylvania's Bradford County. --Skudrafan1 20:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Skudrafan, you are correct. I was referring to the former PA 17 expressway between Erie and the PA-NY border at Findley Lake, which I believe is no longer PA 17 and has become just I-86. --TwinsMetsFan 20:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I have corrected the PA 17 reference in the article. --TwinsMetsFan 07:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Old alignments
New York State Route 394, New York State Route 430 (running where the freeway to NY 17 is, then straight into NY 430 south of NY 17), New York State Route 394, Old Route 17, Red House Road, New York State Route 417, Addison-South Hamilton Road, New York State Route 415, New York State Route 352 (how did it get there from NY 415?), Big Flats Road, New York State Route 14, New York State Route 352, NY 17, Old NY 17, CR 60, New York State Route 17C, New York State Route 434 (crossed the river in Owego), U.S. Route 11, NY 17 (part of old road is named Liberty Highway), Old NY 17, NY 17 (from Deposit to Hancock), Old Route 17, NY 17, Parksville Road, Main Street, Sullivan Avenue, Harris Road, Old Route 17, Broadway, Wurtsboro Mountain Road, Sullivan Street, Bloomingburg Mountain Road, Bloomingburg Road, New York State Route 17M, NY 17

Much of it was called the Liberty Highway (possibly because of Liberty, NY), but that turned north at Wellsville, NY via Scio, NY on NY 19 heading west, and went north from Andover, NY on NY 21, also on NY 17 near East Branch, NY

I think the Liberty Highway followed the Erie Railroad where it differed from NY 17. --SPUI (T - C) 02:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Until the 1930 renumbering, NY 17 used 16, near present 17 and 19 from Olean to Wellsville and 21 and 36 from Andover to Jasper. Both new cutoffs had been unnumbered. --SPUI (T - C) 02:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Recent Edits to This Article
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York State routes. --TwinsMetsFan 19:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

NY 17 in Pennsylvania? ... !
The section that was added and later removed isn't the same one Skudrafan1 was referring to. I have added the information about the dip into Pennsylvania near Waverly. — Michael J  15:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

NY 17 south of Harriman?
Will this be re-signed as NY 32 (extending it to the NJ line), or will it continue to be NY 17? -- Nyletak  &hearts;  02:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Everything I've read is that it will continue to be NY 17 as it is currently signed, naturally for the benefit of those who live and/or frequent the area, and as a natural extension of NJ 17. See Junction List at Gribblenation.net. I cannot, however, speak for what will happen to suffixed 17-series routes. Fwgoebel 14:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to believe that the Harriman/NJ stretch would remain NY 17, but it is more logical that it would become part of NY 32. Of course, I've seen the DOT make some strange routing calls, so I can't be certain. What I can say for certain is that all of the suffixed 17* routes will be renumbered or decommissioned as 17 is truncated east; at least, that's how the DOT has done it historically, most recently in the case of NY 18 in the 1960s. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 19:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

It is pretty safe to say that the designation NY 17 will NOT be disappearing, when the I 86 project is completed. ALL of the new directional signs constructed for the project at Exit 120, include NY 17 symbols, including a new overhead gantry for Exit 121. For some odd reason, everybody has been ready to write 17 off - with no real evidence to support their feelings. Remember, that where 17 was already up to Interstate standards on the Southern Tier, all NYSDOT did was stick I 86 signs next to the existing NY 17 signs. There is precedent for this sort of thing, also: In the midwest, where Interstates like Interstate 70 took over the routing of say, US 40, they simply added the US 40 shields onto the I70 posts, and ran it as a multiplex. There is no real reason for New York NOT to do this! If they continue this policy, the one short section near Goshen where 17M and US 6 join the expressway will be a quadruple concurrency, and then the 86/17/6 routing will be a triplex for quite a stretch - quite the things to ponder!Lsherwood59 (talk)

Opposition
Should this article mention the opposition to construction? I am thinking primarily of the 1985 roadblock created by members of the Seneca Nation. Enslin 19:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It can be mentioned, provided it is written in NPOV language and sourced. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 19:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Exit 126 Mileage?
Is the current mileage posted for Exit 126 for the original exit, or for the new exit which opened in 2005? Even though the DOT considered the new exit close enough to the old that they retained the old directional signs, I DO believe the new exit is 2/10 mile further east that the old one. --User:Lsherwood59 —Preceding comment was added at 22:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Please explain this opening remark.
I notice this:

"New York State Route 17 (NY 17) is a north-south state highway (Odd Numbered Routes-North to South; Even-Numbered Routes-East to West)"

For 1-digit and 2-digit routes (U.S. and Interstate), this is the normal (see in parentheses above), but NY 17 is primarily east-west. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.47 (talk) 17:53, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Institutional Racism
Seems like there should be some mention here of the deliberate structural bigotry that was implemented in the construction of the Interstate Highway System. Route 17 is a classic example. At numerous locations the route was deliberately designed to divide -- or wipe out -- neighborhoods largely inhabited by poor, working-class eastern European and black families. "Kamikaze Curve" itself wouldn't have existed had the road been directed a half-mile to a mile north -- but eliminating that curve would have run it through upscale white neighborhoods, rather than the black, Slovak, and Polish neighborhoods it was planned to destroy, instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 00:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)