Talk:New Zealand AM class electric multiple unit

Train Data - Weights, Lengths etc
Hi All

Several questions, the listed weight is given fully loaded. Personally I feel this is a slightly irrelevant number. Would the unladen weight (which is 132 Tonnes) be more relevant.

Secondly, the actual length per unit according to the CAF Manual is 72 meters, not 70. However this source is not publically available so not likely to be able to be cited. What's the opinion on this one?

Kaiwhara (talk) 05:55, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

This page on CAF's website would has 72m on it http://www.caf.es/en/productos-servicios/proyectos/proyecto-detalle.php?p=107

0zlw (talk) 10:44, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Lines served in notes
I removed the "Onehunga Line" in the notes column of the class register a few days ago as said information was already covered by the article, but it's just been put back. I really don't think it's necessary - the notes column is meant for information that applies to a specific unit. pcuser42 (talk) 01:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree, and note that of thus Sunday (17 August 2014), Manukau services commence in the evenings. I will remove the reference again as it is redundant. Kaiwhara (talk) 04:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The Manukau services are now partly operated by EMU's now so the Onehunga Line reference is now totally redundant. Kaiwhara (talk) 11:04, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

In service EMUs
It's true that the section is without citations, however Kaiwhara, as a Transdev employee, is responsible for signing off each individual EMU before they enter service. In this situation, I believe this is the best and most up-to-date source we have, but is probably not citable. I'm prepared to use WP:IAR to work around this. pcuser42 (talk) 22:20, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with what you say about Ignore All Rules, but at the same time the section effectively constitutes original research, and without references it is pretty weak. Maybe someone (someone with a website dedicated to railfanning in NZ? ;-) ) could publish fleet lists on their website, with Kaiwhara's help, then it would be easy to cite that here and come closer to satisfying the referencing standards of Wikipedia (although still not perfect). It would also have the benefit of maintaining a list that isn't able to be disrupted by over-eager editors.--Nick Moss (talk) 23:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I do that already on my own website, but for obvious reasons can't cite it myself. pcuser42 (talk) 00:18, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Haha there you go then! I had never discovered that function on your website before.--Nick Moss (talk) 00:34, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * So where are we at then? I test the units and pass them into traffic so I am the best data source for these, but obviously can't cite myself, or cite a website when that data would still come from me anyway? The Data should be up, and I can privately provide an assurance upon challenge (but not publically). Needing some clear direction here. Kaiwhara (talk) 03:53, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * My feeling would be to leave it tagged as unreferenced (or original research) so it is clear to someone looking at it that it doesn't meet the reference standards, but to leave it there and continue to have it updated as need be. I imagine the same probably applies to other rolling stock lists for NZ (and elsewhere). --Nick Moss (talk) 08:57, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Levels of ETCS
LCmortensen, I see the ETCS edit has been reinstated. The argument you are using to remove the Level 1 reference is entirely hypothetical. None of the literature supplied by CAF, Seimens, Auckland Transport or Kiwirail actually supports you in saying that ETCS works on all levels on these trains. The design specification is for Level 1, the infrastructure determines they can only operate on Level 1, and I am yet to see any evidence that the trains actually have the GSMR equipment on board to suggest they actually are capable of Levels 2 or 3. Lastly, the licenses stipulate Level 1 must be used. To suggest otherwise is simply factually incorrect, and misleading. The change will again be reverted.

Note, I actually drive these trains quite extensively, and know what they can and cannot do quite intimately. Kaiwhara (talk) 16:37, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

December 2014 Timetable Update
The information regarding the Papakura service date was not in dispute. What was in dispute was the alleged gains in travel times, which while partially correct, it wasn't entirely factual, and in one case totally wrong. Manukau has decreased in journey length slightly, but not for all trains. Some services still have a 41 to 42 minute journey time to cater for Freight Paths, and the ADL's were actually capable of the same length, frequently having to be held to time at Glen Innes and Otahuhu. The Papakura Date is currently very fluid, and is unlikely to be before April.

What was incorrect was the reference to the Onehunga Line decreasing from 28 to 25 minutes. It has actually increased from 25 to 28 minutes on Weekdays. Various figures and percentages were quoted, which wern't actually on the web page that was cited, and a look at the timetables for showed clearly that some of the material was incorrect, which is why it was disputed and removed.Kaiwhara (talk) 16:47, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Class register
Why is the class register being removed? If you need a source, here's one: pcuser42 (talk) 19:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)


 * See WP:OR and WP:Verify. The source you mentioned does not confirm to either of these, it is also not reliable. Nordic   Dragon  13:54, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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