Talk:New Zealand DF class locomotive (1979)

DFB and DFM
Hey folks, I just updated the article to reflect the DFB and DFM subclasses of the DFT that Toll has introduced lately. However, I don't actually know many specifics, so if someone else can flesh out the article a bit more, that would be great. Some information simply on when the DFB and DFM designations were introduced and what they denote would be ideal. - Axver 06:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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DF 1667
This loco appears to be missing from the class register: NZ Railfan's calendar has a photo of it for July. pcuser42 (talk) 02:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Upgrades renamed and expanded
I have retitled Upgrades to 'Vision Upgrades' to reflect and expanded the paragraph that now include the replacement larger drivers side cab front window and the serious reason for it. AlexCherr72 (talk) 22:05, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Potential withdrawal
The article says that it is believed that the DFTs will soon be withdrawn once more DLs are in the country. However NZ Railfan, the only source I've seen that says this, says "the likely causalities", indicating they're speculating somewhat. Per WP:CRYSTALBALL, this information may then not be suitable for inclusion, so the question is: given the wording of the New Zealand Railfan article, is it an appropriate source in this instance? pcuser42 (talk) 08:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's appropriate, although apparently the June edition confirms this --LJ Holden 09:49, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's the June 2013 issue I'm looking at. pcuser42 (talk) 10:07, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh - sorry I haven't got the most recent edition yet! In that case the sentence should really be re-written to reflect what Railfan actually said - i.e. they're speculating that 17 locomotives are to be withdrawn. FWIW I don't really think it's likely, especially of large numbers of the DC class are withdrawn. --LJ Holden 22:39, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Difference between "Withdrawn" and "Out of service"
Unless if there's any difference between these 2 terms, does anyone think that these terms are synonymous to each other? I don't see any point in changing the status to a different word as it only reflects to one, same meaning. Can't we just put "Out of service" and explain whether the locomotive is withdrawn from service in the "notes" section? -RTWDestroy (talk) 12:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * There is a different, out of service means waiting a big repair may return to service, withdrawn means written off/never gonna return to service again unlike the D/DM units Robyn (DM 27 and D 163) which were leased by the Canterbury Railway Society after being withdrawn in 1988, returned to service in 2008 until withdrawn again in 2012 and the Phoenix set (DM 216 and D 2687) which were withdrawn in 2001 but return to service in 2008 until 2011 and 3 of the New Zealand EA class locomotive were returned to service in 2008 until 2011 after being withdrawn in 1997 between Otira and Arthurs Pass since 1968. All were returned to service in Wellington. -NZ Rail 150 (talk) 19:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "Under overhaul" covers the large repairs where a locomotive is expected to return to service. pcuser42 (talk) 08:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I've added "/repair" to the overhaul description to cover that scenario as well. I think what NZ Rail 150 is saying above is that there are units which are withdrawn then can re-enter service should be classified as out of service. Personally I think this is a little too much like spitting hairs, and for the sake of consistency across the Wiki article's its best we leave it as is.--LJ Holden 23:59, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

The next engine to be withdrawn soon is DFT 7023. 118.92.241.244 (talk) 07:25, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

And you know this how? NZ Rail 150 (talk) 07:26, 17 February 2015 (UTC)NZ Rail 150
 * Not a forum... --LJ Holden 08:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Auckland Transport service
I propose removing the AT transport service colour (blue) as per Template talk:NZR locomotive list: This colouring for rolling stock lists is no longer relevant, it was meant to signify diesel classes in exclusive AT service; that requirement no longer exists. --LJ Holden 02:31, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Unimportant details
Can someone explain why a loco being the last in a given livery is important? I keep having to revert edits by an IP to that effect. pcuser42 (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

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