Talk:New Zealand cricket team in Australia in 2006-07

The tour exists all right. New Zealand have been in Australia to compete in a three-way tournament of one-day internationals with Australia and England, known as the Commonwealth Bank Series. New Zealand's final match in the tournament took place today:

Report of the match on the BBC website

JH 20:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You beat me to it. I had written the following as your edit went in:
 * I believe that this deletion request is vandalism as there have been two similar incidents in 24 hours both involving "persons" who do not recognise stubs and both of whom have redlinked usernames. See also: Postage stamps of Antioquia.
 * The tour in question is taking place right now and a game was played earlier today (6 Feb 2007). See: BBC report on 6 Feb game in Brisbane.
 * The creation of the cricket tour articles is an objective of WikiProject Cricket and I have the project's full support in my policy of establishing stub articles for subsequent development by the project members. All these articles are about notable events (i.e., first-class cricket), all of them quote verifiable sources both in book and internet form, all of them are categorised according to project standards and all of them are clearly labelled and categorised as cricket stubs to invite other members to develop them.
 * I suggest this person reads Stub. --BlackJack | talk page 20:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's obviously not a hoax, but to be honest I don't really see the point of this article when 2006-07 Commonwealth Bank Series covers their whole tour. Maybe this should be a re-direct? HornetMike 21:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The cricket project has an intention to create an article about all first-class and ListA tours. You're right that there is an article about the overall competition but in keeping with the project's strategy, if I can call it that, there should be an article written from the point of view of each touring team so that we have a continuous thread of Team A's visits to Country B. --BlackJack | talk page 21:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't see references in 2 leading cricket websites, and, to the Commonwealth Bank Series as "New Zealand tour of Australia". It might be a matter of definition of the term "tour". I'd like to see reliable resources that call it a tour, otherwise it's not a tour. In any case, all the info on the CBS is found at that article and there's no need for another article for the same subject. Also, the article Australian cricket team in New Zealand in 2006-07 should re-direct to Chappell-Hadlee Trophy 2006-07 and the same for "Australia in New Zealand 2005-06". It's a different case for CHT 2004-05 because that series followed a test series, so it was part of a tour.--Nitsansh 01:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The New Zealand team has played numerous matches throughout Australia in recent weeks and so the team has toured Australia. As I wrote above, the fact that they played in a specific competition is one aspect of it, the other is that we need a continuous view of visits by one country's team to another, hence we have a category of all such visits by New Zealand to Australia.  For example, there may have been events during the tour that were specific to the New Zealand team and were irrelevant to the CBS competition: such events should be recorded in the tour article and not in the competition article.
 * As for the Chappell-Hadlee Trophy, that article is intended as a description of the competition and not as a bucket for details of all NZ-Aus one-day series: each series should be treated separately by means of tour articles as per the standard that the cricket project has long established. If you are suggesting that we should put all the individual series in the one competition article then we are very soon going to exceed WP capacity limits in that article.  The method adopted by the cricket project is the best one all round especially as it has been done by consensus and not because one person has decided that it it is what he thinks he will do.  --BlackJack | talk page 07:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

"there may have been events during the tour that were specific to the New Zealand team and were irrelevant to the CBS competition" Could you explain what are these events and why they can't be included in the article of "Commonwealth Bank Series"? In case you didn't notice, I have split the detailed descriptions of the the CHT into seperate articles for each series, exactly because it would soon become too big. Do you suggest that these articles should be renamed "Australian tour of New Zealand" or vice verza? The CHT concept is different from the traditional tours. It is an annual series of ODIs between the 2 nations and usually not part of a grand tour. I think it deserves articles of its own. --Nitsansh 23:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The best thing to do is create both and use the CHT article to describe the matches only while the overall tour (or visit) is dealt with in a standard tour article that cross-references to the series article. This has become the norm with recent Test series.
 * We did have a discussion on WT:CRIC a while ago about whether we need a series article in addition to a tour article and whether we need a tour article in addition to a season review article. The consensus was that we need them all and we even used a remote example, the English 1902 season, to illustrate it.  For that season, we decided that the famous Test series could be treated separately from the tour, that the tour itself deserves it own article (as per long-established project strategy) and the season review should concentrate primarily on the domestic cricket.
 * I've no objection at all to a separate series article as long as the main competition article doesn't become a bucket for the whole lot (imagine if the Ashes article was used like that!). But we do need a tour article too, even if it is small because of a cross-reference to the series article, for continuity in the tour categories.  The NZ to Aus category is used to summarise all visits by NZ to Australia and the same applies globally.  We must have a view of the tours made which would be lost if we concentrated everything into series articles only.  We could not of course do that with soccer whereby, as with Spain in England this week, the team literally makes a flying visit of 48 hours at most.  --BlackJack | talk page 07:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)