Talk:New world order (Baháʼí)

other perspectives, and/or criticisms
would be beneficial to add a section mentioning a few criticisms considering the attention a corrupt new world order system would have on the human global populace. keep in mind that there are many who have accurately researched how immoral, greedy, self-centered, narcissistic, etc many global leader who have tremendous power...are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gizziiusa (talk • contribs) 19:03, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


 * @Gizziiusa Agree, at least, the sources are needed, which see the topic more neutrally, especially, the utopian character of the idea. There is already a signal of resistance. Geysirhead (talk) 10:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Is "new world order" a system of governance
The article is framed by the assumption that the Bahai "new world order" is a system of governance, but there's no source for this in the article and I haven't found any substantiation. The initial locus for the phrase "new world order" in Bahai is Baha'u'llah saying النّظم الاعظم, and Shoghi Effendi translating it as "The world's equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating influence of this most great, this new World Order. Mankind's ordered life hath been revolutionized through the agency of this unique, this wondrous System -- the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed." (Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 136) The Arabic phrase does not connote a system of governance. Shoghi Effendi's translation should be read in the light of examples such as this: "He (Shoghi Effendi) was very happy to hear that you and your dear wife are so active in serving the Faith, and that your children are receiving the inestimable benefit of growing up in this New World Order of Bahá'u'lláh." (by a secretary on his behalf, 1946) In a much earlier letter, which he wrote himself, he says that his readers should get a "clear conception of the exact purpose and methods of this new world order.." (Baha'i Administration, p. 62) and then "as clear a view as possible of the manner in which to conduct the affairs of the Cause ..." (Baha'i Administration, p. 62). There is nothing about world governance in that section. So is the whole article based on a preconception, that has not been checked against the original Arabic and the vocabulary of Shoghi Effendi, the author of the phrase? 161.29.183.182 (talk) 01:50, 6 August 2023 (UTC)