Talk:Newcastle-under-Lyme

Other Newcastles
An anonymous contributor has added near the beginning of the article a short list of other Newcastles. Such a list is potentially enormous, do we really want it? I am moving it to the end of the article. NoelWalley 11:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * One of these cities is in Japan. Having now looked at the Japanese city's own English Version website, things are slightly clearer. The contributor needs to elaborate considerably on what has or is happening here. NoelWalley 12:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikilinks
I hope it can be agreed that it is important that all new links should be tested (show preview - and then take the link - if in any doubt that it leads to a relevant article). With place names in particular red links indicating a lack of article can easily be activated later by a new article relating to a different place. In this article, links to Clayton, Butterton, Madeley, Chesterton and Silverdale all pointed to the wrong place. Articles for the local Clayton, Butterton, Knutton, Westlands, Cross Heath, and Porthill do not exist - no doubt if and when they are written the writers will add links. Generally speaking only the first mention of a place should be linked. Generally speaking 20th and 21st century years are not now linked. NoelWalley 12:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Towards a good article
I have rewritten this article of the past two days, to remove link farms (WP:EL), lists converted into prose, added details on the demographics and to try and bring the article into line with these guidelines. Also I have removed a lot of "Borough" info and moved it to other articles as well as taking out weasel words There is still plenty to be added to the history section, but I am having trouble finding economic activity information outside of the census. Does anyone know a good source? Regan123 17:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

"Underlem" the byname for Newcastle Under Lyme
Good to see that this wiki recognizes that Newcastle Under Lyme also goes by the byname of "Underlem" in Cheshire, especially so in the townships of Audlem and Burslem. Sets the potteries town asunder from its more well-known northeastern namesake well, methinks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.68.243.249 (talk) 11:41, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Who is a notable?
There has been a WP advisory at the top of the "Notables" section, warning contributors that they should be clear what "notables" means and that the people listed as "notables" fit the definition. I've not found an official (WP) definition of "notable" so I've made one up:


 * By "notable people" is meant people who (1) historically have contributed something significant to the development of the world (and Newcastle) and (2) in modern times it also includes people who have become well known through their cultural or sporting achievements. They will have been born in Newcastle, studied here or lived a big part of their lives here, or very nearby.

I've now deleted the WP advisory; I trust this definition will do.

ArbieP (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect Image "Newcastle Civic Centre At Night"
The image of "Newcastle Civic Centre At Night" is NOT of Newcastle Under Lyme Civic Centre, but that of Newcastle Upon Tyne! Could somebody please delete this or change it for the correct image (if there is one) as I don't know how to do this. Thanks in advance DaveNUL (talk) 14:39, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Photos alongside notable people
Today I've added eleven photos alongside the notable people. I did something similar in July, but they were deleted within a few days as not all of those images are needed. Whilst it may be true that they are not needed, my point is that they add an attractive and interesting visual picture to the history of the town. That seems to add to the usefulness and pleasure of the page rather than taking away from it. Might I ask that others readers who disagree, contribute their reasons here, in narrative, before deleting them again, please. ArbieP (talk) 10:23, 23 August 2017 (UTC)


 * All of those names listed all have articles and so each article would already have their image in it,
 * The other issue is there could be an edit war over what image is and isn't there,
 * But anyway in short IMHO the images add no value to the article and they'd stop any potentional edit wars
 * Thanks 14:29, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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What happened to the Unter den Linden and under Lyme comparison?
Thought it rather worthy of listing.

One wonders what the excuse upcooked that unlist said Unter den Linden references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.239.132 (talk) 19:50, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposal re Notable People
At the moment (May 2021) there is duplication of Notable People. There is a list in the article itself (Newcastle-under-Lyme) and also a separate list (List of people from Newcastle-under-Lyme). The narrative in the sections on Politics and Culture both refer to notables too. Both the lists are the same, quite long and with many citations (I confess to contributing to this in the past). Would it be preferable now to shorten the list in the main article to (perhaps) twenty or so of the most notables, in contrast to the full separate list, which can remain as it is?

Any views, either way?

ArbieP (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Suggest this:

{| class="wikitable"
 * - valign="top"

Public Service & Commerce

 * Major-General Thomas Harrison (1606–1660) sided with Parliament in the English Civil War; signed the death warrant of Charles I. After the Restoration, he was found guilty of regicide and hanged, drawn and quartered.
 * Emma Darwin (née Wedgwood) (1808–1896), granddaughter of Josiah Wedgwood and wife of Charles Darwin
 * Hungerford Crewe, 3rd Baron Crewe FSA, FRS (1812–1894), landowner and peer, inherited Crewe Hall
 * Sir Oliver Lodge (1851–1940), physicist, inventor and writer
 * Sir Joseph Cook, GCMG, PC (1860 in Silverdale – 1947), worked in the local coalmines and emigrated to Australia in 1885; Prime Minister of Australia, 1913 to 1914
 * Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovich of Russia, (1861–1929), lived in Keele Hall from 1900 to 1909.
 * Josiah Wedgwood, 1st Baron Wedgwood (1872–1943), Josiah Wedgwood IV, great-great-grandson of Josiah Wedgwood and Liberal MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme from 1906 to 1919, then its Labour MP for from 1919 to 1942
 * Reginald Mitchell (1895–1937), aeroplane designer of the Spitfire
 * Sir Oswald Mosley (1896–1980), founder of the British Union of Fascists lived in Apedale Hall in the early 1900s
 * Stephen Swingler (1915–1969) Labour MP for Stafford, 1945 to 1950 and MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme, 1951 to 1969
 * John Golding (1931–1999), Labour MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme from 1969 to 1986
 * Karen Bradley (born 1970), MP for the Staffordshire Moorlands since 2010
 * Aaron Bell (born 1980) politician, MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme since 2019

Writing & The Arts

 * Humphrey Wollrich (1633–1707), Quaker writer
 * Philip Astley (1742–1814), equestrian, circus owner, inventor and father of the modern circus
 * Silvester Harding (1745–1809), artist and publisher, who aged 14 ran away and joined a company of strolling actors
 * John James Blunt (1794–1855), Anglican priest. His writings included studies of the early Church.
 * Arnold Bennett (1867–1931), writer
 * Oliver William Foster Lodge (1878–1955), poet and author born in Newcastle
 * Vera Brittain (1893–1970), author, reformer and pacifist, and mother of Shirley Williams
 * Freddie Garrity (1936–2006), singer with Freddie and the Dreamers, lived in the town near the end of his life.
 * Jackie Trent (1940–2015), singer, songwriter and actress
 * Neil Baldwin (born 1946), clown, former Stoke City kit-man and honorary graduate of Keele University

Sport

 * Mike Pejic (born 1950), footballer for Stoke City and Everton
 * Lizzie Neave (born 1987), slalom canoeist in women's kayak, competed in London 2012 Summer Olympics
 * Eddie Hall (born 1988), professional strongman
 * }

ArbieP (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * This looks fine, also remove people from this wikipage to List of people from Newcastle-under-Lyme see List of people from Middlesbrough + Middlesbrough for example.  -- Devoke  water  15:38, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Thankyou. I'll clear the list above of its references and citations when the consultation is complete, so as not to clutter the Talk section. ArbieP (talk) 19:10, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Done; updated main page and deleted the refs above.ArbieP (talk) 10:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

There have been further developments today. User:Bmcln1 has (1) reverted my edit and (2) made some amendments deleting excess words in the original list. The latter is welcome but the former reverts the main purpose of the amendment I published earlier. That was to deal with duplication of lists and excessive length of the section in the main article.

In reverting the amendment Bmcln1 writes:

''No better, in my view. Criteria for keeping/dropping not given. Make separate Notables page if you must. As revised includes multiple inconsistent formatting. Please examine page formatting before adding to a page''

He makes three points: (1) The criteria for dropping some people is implicit, they are less notable than those that stay. The point in "dropping people" is that the list (in the article) is excessively long. (2) As described at the top of this section there is already a separate list at List of people from Newcastle-under-Lyme which mirrors (or mirrored) the main article list. My edit sought to deal with both duplication and excessive length. (3) I agree that the format of the revised list (still shown above, but without referencs) was not prize winning.

I would now propose to take Bmcln1's revised list and essentially prepare a new shorter list. As before most of the deletions will be from Sports and Politicans; happy to publish a draft version if wanted. Any further views?

ArbieP (talk) 13:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Concluded thus - the list shown above was not used; instead reviewed all items in Newcastle-under-Lyme section; deleted about ten less notables, added several references and citations, updated others. It remain the case that the (separate) List of people from Newcastle-under-Lyme is something of a duplication, but now less so (count of 59 to 69).
 * ArbieP (talk) 20:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


 * What a palaver for you! Still, I think the result's an improvement. Thanks for your time and energy. Bmcln1 (talk) 23:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Candles Wine Bar
In 1977, Staffordshire’s first wine bar, Candles Wine Bar, opened in Newcastle-U-Lyme, It was the Studio 54 of Staffordshire, known for its exclusivity, famous clientele ( Bruno Brookes ) & St.Raphael Rouge vermouth & lemonade drink 🍷 2A00:23C7:280C:4301:FD38:4F04:F324:53CF (talk) 22:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)