Talk:Newhall incident

Requested move 28 October 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Newhall incident. Everyone is OK with changing the 'massacre' to 'incident'. Opinions are mixed on whether to use upper or lower case for 'incident'. Either seems defensible. EdJohnston (talk) 01:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Newhall massacre → Newhall Incident – The majority of citations call it the "Newhall Incident". For example, "The Newhall Incident: A Law Enforcement Tragedy". One source says:"Early in my career, four state police officers were shot and killed in a gun battle with two heavily armed suspects in an event widely known as the Newhall Incident."The California Highway Patrol uses that term. So the article shold be moved to the common name. An exisiting redirect prevents me from doing it myself. Felsic2 (talk) 19:14, 28 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the target should be Newhall incident with two Ls and a lowercase i . —  AjaxSmack   20:33, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I fixed the triple 'l' problem. "Incident" is capitalized in most or all of the sources, but I don't care myself. Felsic2 (talk) 20:44, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted. Comment amended above. —  AjaxSmack   22:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reason for preferring lowercase "incident"? Felsic2 (talk) 23:27, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't. That's why I struck my comment. —  AjaxSmack   23:29, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose that's an internal police source, not something clear to third parties. But if moved then small "i". In ictu oculi (talk) 08:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose making a proper name of it. "Newhall incident" is commonly lowercase "i" in books.  Otherwise no opinion on the choice; both are used, as is "Newhall shooting". Dicklyon (talk) 05:59, 30 October 2016 (UTC)


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Article Categories Need to be Improved
Hi. The article categories need to be improved for usefulness. I went to check the categories for further information because the article says in its summary, that this shootout (& death of 4 officers) was the worst in California law enforcement history at the time, although it has since been surpassed. I was trying to find out how, when and where it was surpassed, by checking for other California incidents since that shootout either via the See Also section or in lieu of that (since the See Also section doesn't list it) to review other shootouts of tragic proportions in California's law enforcement history. However, there is actually no category that is even remotely useful to find other events in California's law enforcement history. Can someone create a more narrow category for California law enforcement such as California police officers killed in the line of duty, as I can't recall how to create categories that appear in play? Regards, Steve Stevenmitchell (talk) 10:41, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Edits discredit article
It doesn't take much to confuse the reader when an article is completely confusing.

In the lead:
 * After two CHP patrol cars arrived on the scene, the lone officer inside briefly exchanged gunfire with the perpetrators, ...

In the text:
 * As he did, two CHP cruisers driven by CHP Sgt. Harry Ingold, Officers Roger Palmer, Richard Robinson and Ed Holmes arrived at the scene.
 * After a brief exchange of gunfire with the lone officer, ...

So two cars with four officers pull up, but the lone officer inside those two cars with now three ghostly officers fires a gun? "The lone officer?

The original text stated: This edit (19:36, 24 October 2013) added: Then after 11 years an IP says (20:47, 17 May 2019‎): Later also changing the lead text (17:47, 18 May 2019) to:
 * As he did, a third CHP cruiser arrived at the scene. After a brief exchange of gun shots, ...
 * with the lone officer
 * two CHP cruisers driven by CHP Sgt. Harry Ingold, Officers Roger Palmer, Richard Robinson and Ed Holmes arrived
 * After two CHP patrol cars arrived ...

So in 10-11 months nobody noticed the non sequitur? I think I'll return the text to its 11-year state before an IP just had to change something without any cites or explanation. Shenme (talk) 01:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)