Talk:Newsboys/Archive 1

Large Earners for Australian Entertainers
I am not sure where the facts are to be found on this but I have noted with interested over many years The Newsboys turn up high on the list of Australian Entertainment Industry money earns even though they are virtually unknown here in Australia - Waza 05:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Have found some references:
 * Sydney Morning Herald, Australia's 50 richest entertainers, April 7, 2005 - lists the Newsboys as 27th with $3.8 million earning in 2004
 * Undercover.com.au, BRW Announces Top 50 Richest Australian Entertainers,by Andrew Tijs, April 20, 2006 - list the Newsboys at the same position for 2005 but is suspiciously sourced because while not a complete list it lists several musicians in exalty the same position as the SMH article.
 * I still believe I saw the Newsboys listed much higher in late 90's or early 00's, does anyone know where references would be found?
 * - Waza 05:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Founding members
According to Peter Furler's biography, he founded the band with George Perdikis in 1986. Sean Taylor joined in 1987, as did John James in 1986/1987. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ottre (talk • contribs) 16:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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Discography
I found a discography page of the newsboys albums but I don't know how to post it in the artical can someone else do it? Here it is Category:Newsboys albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.78.70 (talk) 18:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Christian pop band
Newsboys are a Christian pop band not a Christian pop band. In other words they play Christian pop and are more than just a bunch of christians in a pop band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt 14 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been referring to them as a Christian pop rock band in my edits. What do you think of that?

Leroyinc (talk) 16:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

NewsBoys Wiki Project
SOS! I need help with a NewsBoys Wiki I'm making. If you want to help, type your name in on thekinz99's disscussion. Absorrthekinz99 (talk) 21:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Clean-up and break
I fixed up the most recent section. Some parts were written in the future tense, when they represented events in past. I removed the constant need to reference the word hits in the latest album. I request clarification on one quote. Also, I think after the new album has come out, a new section should be started. Furler is no longer the lead singer and the new section should reflect the band going forward. That old section should read 2000–2009 and the new one should read Present. It makes sense to change that to 2009-Present at the correct time (January 1, 2010?). --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Michael Tait New Lead Vocalist
The Newsboys announced at Acquire the Fire/Battlecry on March 7, 2009 in Dallas that Toby McKeehan will be the new permanent lead vocalist for the Newsboys. I would make an edit to the page, but I don't have a source to cite. Hoewever, if someone can find a source, please change the Current Members section of the page. Thanks. 74.221.151.226 (talk) 20:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You got the rumors wrong. Buzz on the band's message board is Michael Tait, not McKeehan.  Someone has added Tait to the article on a flimsy message board post that really says nothing, so I'm reverting that -- Foetusized (talk) 03:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

My bad. I did get the name messed up... Error of communication between me and a friend. But yes, it is Michael Tait. I was at the concert when they announced it.... I can provide video from the pit of Tait singing with the newsboys, although that's not exactly a viable source. Maybe the media needs to catch up? 74.221.151.226 (talk) 03:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It is quite odd that the band has not done a press release on the subject. Latest is that this change in membership remains unconfirmed. Is Peter Furler Leaving The Newsboys? is still a question -- Foetusized (talk) 15:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The band has made an official announcment that Tait is joining the band as touring lead singer, while Furler will remain a member as well -- -- Foetusized (talk) 21:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Further to that point, Furler will occasionally make appearances on-stage as well. See http://www.photobiz.com/slideshowbiz/slideshow.cfm?slideshowID=76579&photographerID=8075 for shots of Furler on-stage 2009-07-31 in New York. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Demo Tape?
I remember reading something about a demo tape that was handed out at concerts in Australia, do we have any info on that? --Axcess (talk) 02:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Found it on ShineMedia (scroll down to the real bottom) It's called "He's Coming Back" and was recorded in 1987. Handed out at early concerts. Though I'm not sure how to add this to the article.  Free  (talk)  (HRWiki) 20:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Official Bootlegs
I just noticed that they have official bootleg recordings: http://live.newsboys.com/. Does anyone know if that's unique? Should it be mentioned in the article? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

New Album Release Date
I removed the May 4th release date of their new album. the interview you saw, was talking about "In The Hands Of God." May 4th 2009 was the release date of that album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 18:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You didn't read the whole article. The article refers to an upcoming album for 2010. Also, In the Hands of God was released May 5, 2009. The dates are similar, but not the same. Restored. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

My Goodness! Why can't you people use your brains! this article mentions nothing about a May 4th 2010 Release date, and on that same site, it is not listed under upcoming albums, or under their artist profile. The "Untitled Album" is mentioned, but no release date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 01:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm tired of your condescension. We are using our brains, at least I am. It's you who isn't.
 * JFH (John): So what time of next year are you thinking, to release the new Newsboys album?
 * Duncan: You know what, we're talking about maybe the end of this year.
 * JFH (John): The end of this year? Wow, that would be awesome!
 * Duncan: Yeah, we’ve been working hard here, and we really feel we need to get something out as quickly as possible here.
 * Now that you can read the information you'll see why the reference is there. You are right that there's nothing about the 4 May 2010 date, which is why it and it alone needs a citation. The rest is valid. So the information is fine the way it is. It may be left exactly the way it is. The band has an upcoming album. The date may be valid. Labels release albums on Tuesdays. 4 May 2010 is a Tuesday. All that is needed is a citation to verify that the release date will be on that day. The rumours I've heard is that it will be a reissue of In the Hands of God with Tait redoing all the lead vocals, and it will include some bonus tracks. That is, however, just rumour. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I never disputed that there is an upcoming album. I'm the one who put it on this page in the first place. I do know that they are in the studio now recording a new album. it will not be a rerelease of in the hands of God. It will be new material. I would imagine it may include some old dcTalk songs, as they are singing a couple in their set now, but it won't be a reissue album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.201.104.254 (talk) 21:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Then why do you keep
 * removing the citation to the album. Without it, the reference must also be deleted since Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and posting future events is not normative.
 * keep commenting without signing your comments. Right at the top of the edit box it reads
 *  and remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes (~). 
 * Not signing make you look bad. Signing makes it look you know what you're doing and can be trusted as an editor. Writing anonymously makes you look even worse. Learning how to indent your comments correctly makes it look like you know what you're doing even more. Not doing so shows a disregard for Wikipedia's policies and standards. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Before anyone removes the May 18th release date for their new untitled album, and the 5 song EP watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGBGqjnaDYQGalentrafford (talk) 23:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

John James
Regardless of the supposed interview where he said he has rejoined the band, no official announcement was ever made, he is not listed anywhere on any site as a current member, and he is not touring with them on the Winter Jam tour. He has not rejoined the band. Any "edit bullies" should present hard facts before restoring him as a current member. Let's give this site a little credibility please.67.201.104.254 (talk) 21:42, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Would anyone be kind enough to give me the link you're talking about where John James says he has rejoined the band? Also, Nice job everyone editing the new Newsboys page! Does anyone know if Eanah (from newsboysdelux.com) was a part of this?!159.26.236.128 (talk) 15:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * According to the edit that was reverted it was http://www.mediapoint.org.au/podcast/rhema_fm_sunshine_coast/106five_rhema_fm_podcast and there are five interview sections with John on that page. I haven't listened, but it was a source close to the band who reverted the additions. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, four interviews. But the point to remember is that this is John promoting himself and there's no information on the band's page to corroborate his statements, whatever they may be. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In the interview John indicates that he has "joined together" with the Newsboys for an upcoming evangelistic crusade across forty cities in the US called Newsboys Reach. They are "partnering" together and with local churches. They will have free events for between forty thousand and one hundred and forty thousand people. He stated that he will enjoy "getting back with the band". He is excited "to stand back on-stage with the band". He also comments about doing several recent shows with the band to try-out how this would work. The specific portion of the interview is http://mediapoint.org.au/podcasts/0000030474.mp3 and it extends to http://mediapoint.org.au/podcasts/0000030476.mp3. In the fourth section, he talks about having to raise funds to do this. He doesn't talk about having to raise money for the band to do this. Since they have already done some shows and their web site does not indicate that John is a member of the band, this is a bit overblown. He never states that he is becoming a band member. He never indicates that this will be an arrangement for anything other these evangelistic outreaches. The interviewer is the only one who states that he's back with the band. John never contradicts nor corrects him, but he also doesn't agree with the statement either. One thing further, the editor who added the original information indicated that John would be singing a few songs with the band. This is never stated in the interview. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Hands and feet
what album is hands and feet on? I can't seem to find the song listed on any album tracklists, please help out here.

MATT 14

It's not a Newsboys song, it's an Audio Adrenaline song. It's on Audio Adrenaline's "Underdog" CD, as well as on all of their various "Greatest Hits" CDs. 69.236.64.186 (talk) 08:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

You may be thinking of the newsboys song Praises: take my hands/ take my feet/ take the music to the street/hear the prayers/ feel the sound/ a generation kingdom bound/ great and glorious/ is our saviour/ chorus 159.26.236.128 (talk) 19:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

John James, take 2
The article has had the phrase "however in truth he had found himself addicted to alcohol and cocaine, and had had several extramarital affairs.'' with a reference of http://www.crossrhythms.co.uk/articles/print.php?Article_ID=25790 . The article seems to imply that the cocaine and marriage problems occurred after he left the band and were not the result of his departure. The alcohol "was becoming such a problem and my marriage was really starting to fall apart", but no indication of anything else. I saw when the edit was thrown in. I saw an anonymous deletion of the information. Not sure what to make of it all, particularly since it's just a single source and this is a sensitive subject. Comments? Additional sources? Is the information at all important since it was over a decade ago? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Help
I plan on making a born again page but how do i do this (i'm new!) Glman99 (talk) 18:28, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Follow this link: Born Again. Then click on the link to Born Again (Newsboys album). Complete the information on that page. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

New Page
I belive that the discography deserves a separate page such as tobyMac's page! there seems to be enough here to warrant one! Glman99 (talk) 18:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. And Relient K and other bands. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Has the project been started i will help, we should add unreleased songs and alternate versions of songs, I can do that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glman99 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's at Newsboys discography. I essentially pared back the discography from this article and move its contents to the new article. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Name
Is their name The Newsboys or Newsboys? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.70.65 (talk) 23:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

just newsboys Glman99 (talk) 17:58, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Track Listing
Nowhere on any track listing for this album, is Jesus Freak mentioned. I have removed that sentence, please provide a source if you want to put it back on, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.196.198 (talk) 06:26, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Here is MusiChristian]'s track listing for the album. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:52, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * well, aperantly, musichristian is not a reliable source Glman99  &#9778;  (talk)  21:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In this case, musichristian was a reliable source since my copy of the album has Jesus Freak on it. Since musichristian was the only apparent location that recorded the information that it woudl appear on the album, it seems to have been the only WP:RS on the matter. Amazon and iTunes both list Jesus Freak today as well. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * musichristian said it WASN't on the album... Glman99  &#9778;  (talk)  21:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I read my earlier comment backwards. Still doesn't confirm it as an unreliable source. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Peter Is Not Gone
As much as people don't like to believe it, here is the facts. Peter Furler has left the newsboys. he is no longer a member, he is gone. whoever keeps putting him in the current members section please stop. -- the previous anonymous edit was made by 99.233.196.169 (talk) 20:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Peter is not gone. There's evidence above in the section Michael Tait New Lead Vocalist including links to the band's website, and to photos of Peter performing with the band last month in NYC. Stop removing Peter Furler from the list of current members without providing any verifiable (WP:V) proof from a reliable source (WP:RS).  Thanks much -- Foetusized (talk) 13:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * He's not gone. He just played the New York show 2009-07-31. The official band position on Peter is that he still a part of the band. He will not be participating in the tours, but may make appearances at individual concerts, such as the one in NYC. Also, he will continue to write for the band and likely be a part of the recording process. Please stop removing Peter from the list of current members, and doing so anonymously. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * just to bring it into this section: http://www.photobiz.com/slideshowbiz/slideshow.cfm?slideshowID=76579&photographerID=8075 --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

John Dibiase (editor and creator of www.jesusfreakhideout.com), who is a difinitive source when it comes to all things Christian music says Peter is no longer in the band. He knows the band members personally, and recently did an official interview prior to the uprise festival. (the night after your New York Show) they said that Peter is still helping to write songs, but not in the band. Toby Mac, and Ben Moody are also helping to write songs. does this mean that they are in the band as well. check out their artist profile at http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/artists/Newsboys.asp and the interview at http://jesusfreakhideout.com/interviews/NewsboysMichaelTait2009.asp

On a further note, doing a guest appearance does not constitute being a band member. if it does, than why don't you include rebecca st. james and Matt Hammit as members?

I know how extreme Newsboys fans can be, I am a hardcore fan, but i am also a realist, and I can accept the truth that they are no longer the exact same band they were years ago. in fact they are different, and better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 18:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Good sources but they don't clearly state that he's not in the band. The first states, just as the band's website does "Peter is still going to be very involved with the song writing" and again "It will come quick because Peter has nothing else to do but write songs, you know. He hasn’t got the tour." It also mentions that Peter "exited" and "left" but those are all in reference to touring, not part of the band. The second link is more definitive when it lists him as a former member, but I suspect that this is premature. When the band's site does it, Wikipedia should follow. This seems to be similar to the way Bob Hartman left Petra (band). He stepped back from touring to focus on writing and producing, but essentially he was out of the band, until everything collapsed. After that point, he was back with the band for their last two albums. Let's wait for a few more sources to back what Jesus Freak Hideout is saying before we go with their spin. It could just be to drive eyes to their site for all we know.
 * I'm not an extreme Newsboys fan, BTW, I just know their music. I just don't think we should alter Wikipedia until this is certain. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

You kind of make a valid point in there somewhere, but it is fundamentaly flawed. You refer to their website as not listing him as a former member,
 * That's not the case. I didn't write that their website lists him as a former member. I wrote that Jesus Freak Hideout wrote that. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

but here's the thing, their website doesn't show anybody as former or current. furthermore, all references to Peter Furler have been removed. the photo at the top is of Mike, not him, the song in the opening video is Mike not him, and all the photos are Mike not Peter. The only place you see him are advertisements for "In The Hands Of God" and that's only because they show unedited photos of the cover art. This reminds me very much of other former members such as Phil Joel, Bryan Oleson, and Paul Coleman. furthermore, I emplore you to check out their official facebook page http://www.facebook.com/newsboys.official note that Peter is not listed as a member, and the same rings true for their myspace http://www.myspace.com/newsboys. Let me know if you have any more questions.

Furthermore as for the validity of Jesusfreakhideout.com, the website is funded entirely by selling ad space to record labels, and guess who one of their main sponsors is...  you guessed it Inpop Records, record label for newsboys, and owned by Peter Furler and Wes Campbell. you beter believe that they have seen and varified that all information is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 07:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * A) In spite of all that you have written here, Jesusfreakhideout still doesn't meet the Wikipedia definition of a reliable source ("Reliable sources are credible published materials with a reliable publication process."), which I linked to above. Please go give it a read.


 * B) Peter mentioned as a current member of the band in several places in the article, not just the one where you are continuing this edit war. This includes a direct quote from a press release from the band, where Peter's continuing role in the band is mentioned.  Stop making this change in just the one place, making it inconsistent with the rest of the article. -- Foetusized (talk) 12:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

OK Buddy, how much more official do you need to get than the Newsboys OFFICIAL Myspace and Facebook pages. I prefer to take the word's right from the horses mouth than through a third party. I will accept what you say about JFH, but how can you dispute the triple threat of their website, myspace page and facebook? you need to accept that he is gone, he's not dead, he's just not in the band anymore. You need to stop changing it now. and where is this press release you talk about, I've never seen it. nor do i see another place in the article where it says he is in the band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 15:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * OK Galentrafford, let's make this really official. I'll post a question on the official Newsboys Facebook page. If they say Peter is no longer a member and should be placed in the Wikipedia category of Past members, and someone from the band answers that he should, then we'll remove him. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Deal! just make sure that it's someone from the band that answers, and not some random person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.179.187 (talk) 23:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can't see where else in the article it says Peter is a member, you haven't read it. There's a referenced quote from the press release about Tait joining the band in the text of the article (with a link to the press release in the References section), and lists of past and current members in the infobox up at the top. If you can't be bothered to read the whole article, why are you editing it? If you can't be bothered to go read about reliable sources and learn how Wikipedia works, why are you spending so much time arguing about something you can't be bothered to learn about? -- Foetusized (talk) 02:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC) (who isn't so sure of this deal, and would rather have a reliable source for any changes)


 * They are making valid points.
 * The official Facebook and MySpace pages don't list Peter as a current member (top left side of each page)
 * The band are trying to distance themselves from Peter's involvement in the Jesus Freak Hideout interview. That could be for many reasons, and the interviewer didn't come out and ask specifically what Peter's involvement in the band currently is.
 * Peter's appearance in NYC could be construed as a guest appearance much like any other honoured guest (pick a name from CMM to insert).
 * The only claims that we have are their press releases that indicate that Peter will still be involved. Does involved mean member? I don't know. That's why I posted to their Facebook page. They have to approve of messages that others post to that page so it's currently "hidden". We'll see if it stays that way. Not sure how to interpret things if it does stay hidden and without a response.
 * Until we have a clear-cut answer, I think we leave the article alone, and we try not to provoke either side, and stay calm.
 * Shine.
 * Make 'em wonder what you've got. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:21, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Being a big Newsboys fan and all, I'm surprised I haven't commented on this conversation yet. Well, I think the reason the Newsboys are distancing themselves from Peter is because they want their fans to get used to Newsboys without Furler as the lead singer. (This is all speculation, of course), but do I think we should list Peter as a member? No. He plays a live show every once-in-a-while and helps write songs for the band. tobyMac has appeared on a few songs and helped write a few. Do we count him as a member? Steve Taylor has written a "few" songs for the band, and has sang a few times on recordings. (In the Belly of the Whale, Boycott Hell). Do we count him as a member? Is Furler still helping out the band? Yes. Is he still a member? No. Am I using question marks way too much? Heck, yeah.  Free  (talk)  (HRWiki) 01:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * To answer the question of Taylor's involvement: he was the producer, and it's not uncommon that producers write or co-write material with the bands they're working with. You're missing Taylor's most famous contributions: "Shine" and "Breakfast". It can be argued that the band was going nowhere until Taylor started producing them, but that's a different debate. Taylor was a good friend, but he was a hired hand. That cannot be said about Furler. I suspect that tobyMac (I don't see his name next to any album credits I've seen) was also a hired hand when he appeared (again, I don't recall seeing him on any albums other than the remixed version of "God is Not a Secret", but I don't have In the Hands of God). One more thing: "Boycott Hell" was a cover song of a DeGarmo and Key song that Taylor thought was a stupid lyric and so added his own rap to it.
 * With that said, I agree with your idea that the band is trying to force their fans to accept Tait as the new lead singer. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:10, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

So In the end, here is what I see. the singer and frontman for the Newsboys was Peter Furler for 12 years. Awesome. Now it's Michael Tait. though Peter remains in the hearts of many Newsboys fans, he really isn't in the band. guest appearances, and production work, don't make him a member. I have plenty of evidence that he is not a member anymore, where is your evidence that he is. this vague press release that says he is still "involved" doesn't cut it. many people from the producers over the years, to other songwriters, the technical crew, managers, promoters are all "involved." until you have any actual evidence, stop changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 15:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Our evidence is the precisely worded press releases not fan-oriented information to keep people interested in the band and buying the albums. Until you have some actual evidence, please stop changing it. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Reliable sources
The Modesto Bee: This just in: Christian music's newsboys coming back Photo caption: "The newsboys, a Christian pop-rock band originally from Australia, will perform at the Stanislaus County Fair on Aug. 3, 2009. New lead singer Michael Tait, second from left, joined the group earlier this year. Other members, from left, Duncan Phillips, (Tait), Jody Davis and Jeff Frankenstein." From the article: "In March, Michael Tait of dc Talk joined the band, replacing newsboys' frontman Peter Furler, who continues to write songs and do studio work for the band."


 * Unreliable. Michael Tait was not of dcTalk, he is formerly of dcTalk. They know what what they say. See below. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Technically Tait is still a member of dcTalk since they never 'officially' broke up... Glman99  &#9778;  (talk)  21:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

The Muskegon Chronicle: Sun parts clouds for Unity Christian Music Festival finale reports Furler performing with the band on the 8th of this month: "Although Saturday was the last night of Unity, it was also a night of firsts. Back by popular demand in its fourth Main Stage appearance in the festival's nine years, by special appearance by organizers, the group performed with original singer Peter Furler. Fans got the best of both -- they also got a taste of the revamped group with its new lead singer, Michael Tait, formerly of dc Talk."


 * Reliable, but doesn't really make the point. Furler is interviewed as though he's still with the band and that Tait is the new lead singer. It does not unequivocally state that Furler has left the band. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the point is that the band is still in transition. When they want to say Furler is still around, that's the message.  When they want to emphasize they are moving forward with Tait, the message is different.  I am starting to think that the answer to the question is somewhere between yes and no; Furler is a part-time associate member -- Foetusized (talk) 11:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Any other news stories? -- Foetusized (talk) 01:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

How on Earth do you classify these as reliable sources? random news excerpts from Random news sources, neither of which state anything relevant to your point. Find me a source that shows any current band member saying that peter is still in the band, or anyone from inPop records saying it. what ever happened to your inquiry on the newsboys facebook page anyway? I've got a trio of their website, their myspace, and their facebook. not to mention jesusfreakhideout.com. what evidence do you have? I have the band saying he's not, so far you have only provided third party sources, that don't even address the real issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 02:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No offence Galentrafford, but go away. Find a reliable source to back your claims not sites designed to entice fans. We want an official statement from the band that says "Peter is no longer a member of the band". Until you can show us one, and not a fan page like those in Facebook or MySpace, we'll have to take the word of the press releases sent out in April and May that stated that Peter is still a member of the band, he just won't be touring. As I wrote above: Our evidence is the precisely worded press releases not fan-oriented information to keep people interested in the band and buying the albums. Until you have some actual evidence, please stop changing it.. That still holds today. Stop changing the article until you have some actual evidence.
 * Oh, and by the way, start signing your comments. Signing your comments shows that you're a knowledgeable, cooperative member of the Wikipedia community, not some jerk who wants to spout off. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If you still are asking these questions, I'm guessing you still have not read the Wikipedia guidelines on reliable sources. This "I'm not listening to you" act is getting old -- Foetusized (talk) 11:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Go live in your fantasy world. I've got better things to do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.196.169 (talk) 15:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Just reverted another edit that places Peter as a past member. You need verifiable and reliable sources. So far all we have are the press releases. I have posted a request on the official Newsboys Facebook fan page. As soon as they post an answer, we can incorporate that information here. Until then, unless a verifiable and reliable source is produced to the contrary, it's better to leave the article alone. I do see the point of the Peter is gone side, but without an appropriate source, we can't alter the article. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Walter, could you please post a link to this supposed press release that you keep quoting, I can't find it anywhere, and it's not in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 23:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice. This has taken up half this talk page, and shows no signs of stopping anytime soon.  Free  (talk)  (HRWiki) 00:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure. MICHAEL TAIT TO JOIN NEWSBOYS Please start singing your comments. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I remained puzzled as to how you can't find it in the article. Look in the References section; clicking on the carat link next to reference number 10 will take you to the quote from the press release.  Please do not remove the quote nor the link, now that it has been pointed out to you -- Foetusized (talk) 02:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Sometimes we can't see what we don't want to. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I can see that I'm never going to win this argument, even though I am right, but I have seen this press release, and it really doesn't support your point. all it says is that he will continue to write and produce. It was tactfully worded, simply because it was such a shock, and they wanted to try and ease certain peoples minds that can't accept that Peter is gone. I really can't believe this is what you're basing your entire argument on. One thing has become clear though... We both really need to get a life. This is a really dumb thing to spend months arguing over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 23:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you could be right about the wording on the release, but I doubt it and we'll never know for certain. I'm now leaning toward the "Peter is still a Newsboy" side.  Free  (talk)  (HRWiki) 23:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

If Peter is still in the band, then why do none of the official photos of the band taken since he LEFT include him? Think about what you are saying here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 21:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Let's assume that Peter has left the band. Why hasn't the band or his label come out and stated that Peter has left the band? When you can answer that question, and provide a press release or other reliable source that confirms he's left the band we'll have to assume that the band and the label know what they're doing by sending conflicting messages.
 * Also, please sign your comments. It' doesn't take much, and it saves that stupid bot from doing it for you. Doing so only lends credibility to you as an editor. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Here is your article http://jesusfreakhideout.com/news/2009/09/14.JFH%20MORNING%20NEWS%20SHORTS%20FOR%20MONDAY%20SEPTEMBER%2014%202009.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galentrafford (talk • contribs) 13:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Good source. It still doesn't answer the question as to whether Furler will still be writing for, producing, and recording the band. However, those are all studio roles and in those senses should not be considered more a part of the band then Steve Taylor. I only wish that the source was a bit more directly linked to the band with a sound bite or direct quote from the band. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I believe that Steve Taylor was cited in the In The Hands Of God album credits as being part of the band. Not to start another argument or anything :) 159.26.236.128 (talk) 15:53, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Belief is good and you may believe what you want, as far as Wikipedia is concerned. Reproduce the quote where it says he's a part of the band and you have a verifiable source. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay yah I checked on that, Steve Taylor is not credited as being in the band. 159.26.236.128 (talk) 19:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Christmas
after looking it up, this album appears to be an EP on iTunes at least, so it should not be under Michael Tait era, and it was released on iTunes oct. 8.... any more info that i'm missing? Glman99 &#9778;  (talk)  21:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Why shouldn't it be listed in the Michael Tait era? Is it because it's an EP and not a full-length studio album? Five songs as per your favourite unreliable source. http://www.musichristian.com/sys/product.php?PRODUCT=1363514 --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-Newsboys-Holiday/dp/B003ZUV98Y --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:26, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * we need to add either ALL or no EP's to the list....  Glman99  &#9778;  (talk)  21:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * EPs? They have more than one EP? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I do understand that compilations and live albums aren't listed though. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:56, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes! Entertaining Angels EP, It Is You EP, GO EP, Born Again EP, and now, Christmas! EP  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glman99 (talk • contribs) 02:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * also on the discography page the EP's should stay separate from studio albums....they should stay in the EP graph.... glman99 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.85.247 (talk) 21:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Why should they? The discography template has a label specifically for EPs. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, Okay. Glman99  &#9778;&#9779;&#9782;    (talk)  14:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Veggietales/Other Songs
While In The Belly Of The Whale is listed under both singles and music videos, perhaps a separate mention of their contributions to VeggieTales (Veggie Rocks!, Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie) should be made, or a whole section on other songs. I'm not personally aware of any other than those in VeggieTales, so perhaps someone with more knowledge would like to do this. Ralphy512 (talk) 16:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Done - small sentence added. Thelongview (talk) 08:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Kevin Mills
The article says that Kevin Mills left Newsboys to join White Heart, but that wiki article has no mention of him at all. Did he join White Heart or not? 64.180.5.239 20:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the member list of whiteheart on emusic, and there is nothing there about kevin mills, however there is a whiteheart album listed on this page.

http://www.shinemedia.de/newsboys/html/discography/d-kmills.htm

not that its an accurate source, but it might be a start.

--Axcess 02:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

This may be irrelevant now, but Kevin actually didn't join Whiteheart, he simply became the road manager.Nadanon (talk) 14:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The article accurately reflects this: "Left the band to manage White Heart." --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Right, my bad. Nadanon (talk) 14:56, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Incomplete information
This article doesn't seem to make any mention of the movie produced and starring Newsboys, "Down Under the Big Top". That should be added. Plus their book "Shine" is not mentioned anywhere in the article.

A side note, the tense and tone of the article change constantly, and some grammatical errors make certain pieces of information seem incorrect or at least hard to read.

This article should be re-written entirely, with the help of an expert close to the band to verify accuracy on many of the items. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.94.103 (talk) 14:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I made an article about DUTBT, AND added a section about the Newsboys' books. Note: Any help with the DUTBT article would be extremely helpful, as it's sadly lacking in many areas. Nadanon (talk) 18:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The article may be found and Down Under the Big Top and it is very sparse. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

One of the most popular bands
I feel like the newsboys are one of the most popular Christian bands. They have sold so meany copies of their music and have huge crowds at their show as well. But if we want to keep it as it is that is fine with me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.128.147 (talk) 23:48, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * And there's the problem: you feel. They have sold many albums, but they have 16 studio albums to sell. There are artists who have sold more than Newsboys have. Newsboys are among the top-grossing artists, but are not in the top five. We could look at many factors to determine popularity but none of that matters. WP:NPOV and WP:LEAD, especially WP:LEADSENTENCE, both preclude the inclusion of superlatives in the opening sentences. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your opinion, and yeah it more of a personal view which would not be the best for info about them.
 * (if you want) I would like to hear more on how you think that they " among the top-grossing artists" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.128.147 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In Christian music, they sell a great many albums, but are never No. 1 and they fill large stadiums, but they're certainly not the top of the industry. We'd need a reference to support those claims. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:17, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Why?
What's the use of placing templates stating the over-obvious fact that the lead section of this article is falling short in many ways? Do you guys at Wikipedia deem your readers that stupid? Or are the quality of the articles so bad that so many needs the disclaimer? This is not exactly contributing to make the encyclopaedia seem trustworthy. 85.165.117.152 (talk) 13:39, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * First, thanks for taking the time to respond.
 * Second, you're estimation that the tag is for readers is incorrect. It's for regular editors. The template creates a hidden category and there are some editors who patrol that category
 * Third, since you're welcome to improve it, it makes more sense for you to do so than complain about something you're not clear about. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Reguarding the recent unexplained removal of content
Recently, an IP removed two paragraph, as it was duplicated directly above it (exactly). His edit was reverted, then I restored the edit, since it is exactly the same. Is there some reason it keeps getting added back, or is someone simply not reading the actual changes/edit summary I left? --KnightMiner (t&#124;c) 14:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Restored. I didn't see your summary. Can't speak for the other editor. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:25, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Source: Perdikis looking back at the band's history
"The choice to become a “Christian Rock Band” was heavily influenced by Peter’s parents, Bill and Rosalie Furler. As fundamentalist Christians, the only acceptable form of music was the kind that worshipped God."


 * I Co-Founded One of the Most Popular Christian Rock Bands Ever… and I’m Now An Atheist patheos.com, January 21, 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.39.113.139 (talk) 09:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Reunion
Walter Görlitz, i'm wondering if there is a way to show the reunion band line-up so we can at least inform people of the new venture. I know they haven't exactly commented on new material yet, but this is pretty big news for the Newsboys. Especially since, having Peter back in the band makes them "officially" the Newsboys again, unlike some other people touring and recording with another's name. (See Audio Adrenalin)

I've seen on other pages where they would merely put guys like this as "touring" members, but that seems too passive for guys like Peter and Phil. Being that they were such a big part of the band's history.

Any ideas?JesusFreak78 (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * We're not here to promote a tour for the band. We're here to report encyclopedic information about the band. That they are touring with two former members is encyclopedic. That they're calling it a "reunion" is likely more marketing, but that it's being called that is encyclopedic. Changing membership at this point is speculative. The infobox shouldn't change. The major tours section should. The membership sections could probably mention that they toured or are touring with a nb or prose. It's generally considered that musicians who tour with a band are not members. Only those who contribute in a more significant way are. Granted, when he left, Furler and the band stated that Furler was going to continue to contribute to the band in various ways so I don't know how far we can take this. Ultimately, it's what reliable secondary sources say about Furler and Joel that we should write here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Audio A is not even in the same category. The band were hired, over time, to perform the other band's material. It wasn't a wholesale drag and drop situation.
 * Yeah, Audio A should have been renamed at this point. No original members means it's a totally different band as far as I'm concerned. I do consider the 3 musicians in Newsboys to be actual band members, as opposed to the guys in Audio A.
 * I haven't looked too deep, but is there a tour section for Newsboys that we can link to, so we can mention this news?
 * JesusFreak78 (talk) 19:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course we should mention this in that section. To update membership is premature. The way things are worded, the former members are still guests.
 * And for the record, there are many bands who no longer have any original members yet retain the band name. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There certainly are. But man, how wrong is that? At that point, it's just a cover band. Every member is playing songs that they had no hand in writing or performing originally. JesusFreak78 (talk) 19:06, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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Newsboys United
I see that since 2018, and now for the Jesus Freak Cruise, Newsboys is essentially combining its 1998-2003 lineup with its 2009-2017 lineup. Wouldn't this count as a supergroup, like the "Christian" version of NKOTBSB, if you please? I say this because each era (James, Furler and Tait) has a distinctive sound, so it's a different kind of Newsboys. Also, the band's marketing conveys that Newsboys United is a supergroup, different from the "regular" Newsboys. I'm not a fan of the band, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. Also, the original 2009-2017 Newsboys was at the infamous Jesus Freak Cruise 2017, while Newsboys United is at the 2019 cruise; the article should reflect this, and either list only the year (not the ufll dates), or put the dates in a paragraph. --LABcrabs (talk) 10:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Not really a supergroup as other than Tait, the other members have only been solo acts. The guest musicians are simply returning former members of the band on a reunion of sorts. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:10, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Peter Purler
It seems really weird that this article isn't including him as part of the band. He is in their album and is touring with them. He is "credited as a member of Newsboys United". There is no group called that. That is the Newsboys. Unless they say directly that he is not part of the band, why wouldn't he be considered in it? I mean he's literally part of the band now. If this was any other band, I would think he'd be listed as a member. I don't know why it's weirdly not consistent here.   srsrox  BlahBlahBlah...   14:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * First, his name is Furler. Second, Their social media feeds and websites never listed Furler or Joel as members even during the United period. Finally, United was a touring gag. Get two former members to tour with the band. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)