Talk:Newspaper Rock State Historic Monument

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The petroglyph shows a man on horseback shooting a deer with a bow and arrow. How could the carving date from the pre-Columbus era if a horse is on it? Horses were extinct in North America before the arrival of homo sapiens, and only reintroduced by Spanish colonists. CRCulver 06:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I think you mean "horses were extinct in North America before the arrival of Europeans." Having visited this site, my understanding is that the various carvings on this rock date to widely differing times. Paul (talk) 00:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

photo license
I switched back to the previous photo, as it comes from davejenkins.com where all media is openly declared under the GFDL, and thus free for sharing on wikipedia. The new photo came from flickr, and not from the photographer, and I could not find any declaration of a free license-- in fact I found the copyright yahoo inc 2008 on the flickr page. As far as I can tell from the EULA, Flickr.com ends up absorbing all the rights of photos posted there, and is a bad source for wilipedia media. Davejenk1ns 06:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You might misunderstand what Flickr.com is - it's a site for private individuals to publish their photographs, while retaining their copyright. Yahoo certainly doesn't acquire or claim the copyright for the images, just for the website. See their FAQ.


 * The photo at issue is licensed as Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0, which is quite free enough for us (click on "Some rights reserved" under "Additional Information"). We have very many freely licensed Flickr photos on Wikipedia.


 * As such, I think we should use the Flickr photo, which is clearer and better to look at. Sandstein 07:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation and direction on the flickr license. Okay, I can see the other photo is okay to use.  However, the color/contrast is pretty harsh in the flickr photo, no?  Have you been to Newspaper rock? The rock is nowhere near that dark/black... Davejenk1ns 06:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No, I haven't, and therefore I'll not insist on using it if you think it misrepresents the subject or gives a wrong impression. It's just that I think that it's more attractive to look at, as the petroglyphs are clearer and larger. But that's a matter of taste, really, so I won't change the article back. Sandstein 08:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Feet
A lot of feet are depcited on Newspaper Rock. Some with five, some with four toes but has it ever been explained why so many feet are depicted with six toes. --Jan Kronsell (talk) 21:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Newspaper Rock Utah vs. Newspaper Rock Arizona
I have deleted the "Hopi interest" part in this article added by user Cbrcrzy. The cited reference (www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/02/11/MN1H1MUC2H.DTL&ao=all.html) is concerning a site called Newspaper Rock near Tuba City, AZ, and not the one near Monticello, UT. Dimamid88 (talk) 00:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)Dimamid88


 * Here is the section in question, removed a second time:

Hopi interest
The Hopi, who have historic interest in this site, refer to it as "Tutuveni" meaning “Newspaper Rock". The site was used by the Hopi where ceremonial pilgrimages were made by young Hopi men to mark their passage into adulthood.  They would stop and camp at the site and would peck their clan symbols onto the rocks, showing their participation and passage in that pilgrimage.  People from the same clan making the same pilgrimage to Tutuveni would then put their symbols next to the symbols the previous Hopi pilgrims had made.  This was a tradition that was carried on for four to five centuries by the Hopi.  The site, while recognized as a Hopi traditional cultural property, is on land now owned by the Navajo Nation, the result of a decades-old dispute that saw these neighboring tribes fighting over land each considered its own. The conflict was finally resolved in 2006 with much of the disputed 1.5 million acres going to the Navajos.
 * This appears to belong in an article about another rock of this name, located in Arizona, not Utah. Djembayz (talk) 00:37, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Created new page Tutuveni, and copied this content to the new page Hadron137 (talk) 22:21, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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