Talk:Newt fencing

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Hi Richard, i have added a website to the newt fencing page myself which was swiftly deleted; initially i resubmitted that link and left all the other links intact. My issue is not that the link is to a commercial site, it is the fact that any other commercial links that are added are continually deleted - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.1.165 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 21 August 2009


 * Hi 62.49.1.165, There is a huge difference here. For starters, you are an unregistered user yet your IP address suggests your identity, the link you added to your site was clearly for commercial gain. The link that you repeatidly keep removing, and that was part of the original article, does not link to a page with commercial gain intent, although, yes it is a page on a commercial site, there is no product promotion or advertising. The page it links to, adds value to the article by providing further generic information about Newt fencing. The link to your site was very product specific, and was regarded as blatantly intending to promote your product. Similar to the way in which you spammed several other Wikipedia pages (Himalayan Balsam, Chain-link fencing, Forestry, Treeplanting) and had these links removed for the same reason. If your intention is related to inbound links and search engine rankings, you may be wasting your efforts. Inbound links from Wikipedia pages are 'no follow' links and are not considered by Google's algorithm and will therefore not increase Google ranking. My intention was to publish an informative Wikipedia article about Newt fencing, with links to relevant resources on the web. For that reason, I am undoing your edit again and reinstating the link as per the original article. I trust this will remain, without good reason to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conservationinfo (talk • contribs) 10:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Conservation info: not all material on commercial sites is spam, and sour grapes is not a reason to delete such info. Richard New Forest (talk) 21:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Re: My edit (12:33, 17 September 2009 Conservationinfo) Yet another undoing of persistant link removal by unregistered user 62.49.1.165 without explanation or good reason. This user is not providing a useful contribution to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conservationinfo (talk • contribs) 13:41, 17 September 2009

Name of article
This article is currently called Newt fencing, but the technique is really of much wider application than just newts, often being used for other amphibians, for reptiles, and perhaps for other animals. I think we need a better, more general name for the article. Two alternative terms are given in the lead para: "temporary amphibian fencing" and "drift fencing". The first of these still does not cover reptiles. The second might do, though it really applies to certain uses of the technique, and there is already an article (Drift fence) which is connected but is not the same thing. I've also heard "reptile fencing", which has the same problem the other way, and someone recently tried to create Turtle fence, which is likewise limited (now redirected here). Is there another widely recognised term we could use? Or should we go for a simple descriptive title, such as Amphibian and reptile fencing? (This is my favourite at the moment I think.)

Any thoughts? Richard New Forest (talk) 21:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I see this stuff in the states quite a bit, usually protecting wetlands from construction runoff, but I have no clue what we call it. I will check to see if there is such a thing as an official name here.  Montanabw (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * What you are refering to in the states is known as 'Silt Fencing', essentially the construction is the same as for temporary newt fencing but a permeable membrane is used that can pass water but trap silt. The purpose of this is to protect water courses from silt run-off from construction sites etc. With regards to the title of the newt fencing page, in the UK, the term newt fencing is widely used as a generic term for amphibian & reptile fencing. The term newt fencing is far more widely used than 'amphibian & reptile fencing', hence the naming of the page, but can be used for most small amphibian & reptiles. Some species such as grass snakes, may require a taller construction due to their size. (Conservationinfo (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC))