Talk:Next Eleven/Archives/2014

Did the author split with a Korean girl or something?
How the hell can anyone put South Korea in the same category as Bangladesh? South Korea is more like Switzerland than it is like Bangladesh. This list seems like a calculated insult. Honbicot (talk) 22:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

= This is a reply to the user right above. The "Next Eleven" is NOT a label used to describe how developed a country is. Instead, it is used to label the group of countries that have the potential to become the largest economies in the next few decades. If anything, it is a very honorable title to South Korea because, not only is it already a developed nation, but it will become a major force in global economics in the future. It is believed that the current list of top economic powers will undergo a MAJOR change in the next few decades; many of today's economic powers will be replaced by currently developing countries. South Korea, though already developed, will share in the success along with the other developing countries of the "Next Eleven".

=Reply to Honbicot(?)

Since no one's taking a stand for Bangladesh, I guess I will since I'm mixed Korean-Bangladeshi. Insulting putting South Korea and Bangladesh together?! I get what you're saying but the way you worded it seems like something an arrogant person would say. I don't know if you're korean yourself, but i lived in Korea since I was a little kid and moved here to the UK back in 2010. In Korea there is a LOT of racism but go check out how many workers are foreigners. Yes, there are loads of illegal migrant workers but what country doesn't have that? I say this because many koreans do have a racist attitude towards darker/tanned people and you may be one of them who doesn't want to be 'classed' with them.

I don't know how to argue against you so I suggest you go and watch the korean film 'Bandhobi' which is about a Bangladeshi migrant worker in Korea.

I have a0 Korean mother and Bangladeshi father. AND I'M PROUD TO BE THE SON OF A KOREAN-BANGLADESHI COUPLE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.12.80 (talk) 21:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Nigeria
Nigeria is not an authoritarian regime and has not been one since elections in 1998

Philippines
Philippines is a Newly Industrialized Country not a developing country. This claim was supported by the World Bank and IMF census. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devoted Scientist (talk • contribs) 10:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Next Eleven
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Next Eleven's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "www2.goldmansachs.com": From BRIC: http://www2.goldmansachs.com/ideas/brics/book/BRIC-Full.pdf From Goldman Sachs: Goldman Sachs First Quarter 2009 Earnings Release - Goldman Sachs Investor Relations. Retrieved 22-04-2009. 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:40, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

New Report
Here is another report worth mentioning for projected economies in 2050. http://carnegieendowment.org/files/World_Order_in_2050.pdf  Jesusmariajalisco (talk) 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Question by anon
I wonder why South Korea is included in the "Next Eleven" if its population will decrease 12% by 20150 according to most estimates. It is one of the nations with lowest birthrate....but it is considered one of the nations which will grow more. Meanwhile, the opposite is said about some Western nations (they will not grow because their birthrate is low) Why this different opinion about low population growth?--83.39.43.115 (talk) 22:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well if you think that those estimates are correct and that the birthrate is a legitimate factor to consider in this matter, then you should point your question to the initial author of this article User:Heroeswithmetaphors or if that doesn't work to Goldman Sachs. I also suggest creating an account to avoid any incidental confusion about authenticity of comments from this IP address. Best regards, --Biblbroks (talk) 23:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

SOUTH KOREA

The future of South Korea is not so bright taking into account the increasing price of oil which S.Korea imports with a very weak currency (won) In fact, at nominal prices S.Korea was the 11th economy in the World in 1997 and fell to 15th place by 2010. If we add a probable crisis in North Korea that makes S.Korea very unstable and an slowdown in Japan after the tsunami and nuclear accident, and also an slowdown in China after the next bubble burst....--83.54.107.14 (talk) 14:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

pakistan

Pakistan is a developing country, not 'least developed'. Some Indian playing politics here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.188.3 (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Indonesia
The GDP of Indonesia is 7.010 trillion (not 45.010) in 2050 based on the reference cited. The GDP per capita figure should adjust correspondingly as well to 22395 USD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.206.152.113 (talk) 16:04, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Notability
Why is this list important? This classification seems to be mainly from a report by a private bank. I don't think it has been established that this classification is notable enough to even warrant a separate page in WP. Aurorion (talk) 17:49, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Eleven ? or twelve ?
The article says: "The Next Eleven (N-11) are the eleven countries—Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, South Korea, Thailand, Turkey,and Vietnam" Uh, I see 12 countries there! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.54.144.229 (talk) 12:42, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The picture on the right doesn't have Indonesia, and the text in the body of the article doesn't have Thailand, but both are in the list at the start. Which is it? Anthrcer (click to talk to me) 14:29, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thailand is not part of N11. Removed. Elockid  ( Talk ) 17:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Why does most of this article exist?
Most of this article isn't actually about the Next Eleven. It's just repeating content (and awkward tables) about individual content which duplicates the coverage we should already have on country articles. We even have content on the economy of a hypothetical "reunified korea" even though North Korea - and Reunification - isn't mentioned in the Goldman Sachs paper at all. bobrayner (talk) 15:01, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Credit ratings
Can we have each country's ratings from S&P and Moody's mentioned here? Credit ratings from these two agencies are after all as much important and influential as the other indicators --ArmanJ (talk) 15:24, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Credit ratings are not mentioned in the document which defines the "next eleven". It would, however, be good to ensure that credit ratings are properly covered in the articles about individual countries. bobrayner (talk) 16:42, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Turkey
I added to Turkey that it is Member of Nato. Because stability and security effects the economy. And Turkey have high-income economy $15,001 per capita. 95.114.104.92 (talk) 08:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

PHILIPINES IS "DEVELOPING" Income per head in the Philipines is lower than Indonesia´s, so it doesn´t make sense placing it with countries like Mexico and Turkey, with average income per head which is twice as high.--83.32.84.197 (talk) 20:16, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Descriptions of countries
I think we should be careful with descriptions of countries. If we're going to apply lots of labels to each country, we should try to be neutral and reflect what independent sources say about those countries, rather than just cherrypicking what we want to see. Edits like this are unhelpful. bobrayner (talk) 06:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)