Talk:Nexus 5/Archive 1

Article creation
"do not create an article until it is officially unveiled"

Why not? If this is Wikipedia policy, there are lots of articles to delete, here for example: The Marshall Mathers LP 2. If it's not, why is it being asserted?83.206.139.99 (talk) 12:59, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:CRYSTAL. Though, part of me thinks I might start it now, given that Google has now accidentally revealed it. ViperSnake151   Talk  18:07, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

LTE
The Nexus 5 is NOT the first Nexus phone to officially support LTE. The CDMA version of the Galaxy Nexus was an LTE phone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjacks12 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Lead
For those wondering why I had a little edit war over the lead, I was trying to make it more consistant with other articles I've worked on lately (i.e. HTC One and HTC Dream, both got to GA with my help). ViperSnake151  Talk  05:23, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Too many edits (separated from previous discussion)
As a side note, why did you need nine edits for these five sentences? -- Dsimic (talk) 17:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I just tend to do that. --uKER (talk) 18:20, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * This is totally off-topic, but that &mdash; in combination with empty edit comments &mdash; clogs the history and makes it quite unusable. IIRC, there's a Wikipedia rule suggesting against such an approach. -- Dsimic (talk) 18:29, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If there is such a thing, if it -suggests- against it, I guess it's a guideline and not a rule. In any case, I don't think the harm in it is any bigger than bringing up a totally off-topic subject into an existing conversation. Nobody's perfect. That's life. --uKER (talk) 20:09, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right, life is far from being perfect. Once again, sorry for the off-topic stuff.  Regarding the rule/suggestion I mentioned, I don't seem to be able to find it again, so it's probably related to something else. -- Dsimic (talk) 20:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. Cheers! --uKER (talk) 21:07, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Mention of US carriers
For the second time, I removed the mention of the phone being offered by Sprint and T-Mobile. If what you want is to reflect the fact that it will be available outside of the Play Store, I'm OK with it and I added a sentence to that end, but we'll need a source for it. Again, mentioning which US carriers will offer it is largely irrelevant. Also, you calling it a "crucial detail" that it will be available outside of the Play Store I think is pretty ludicrous. Never ever has been a Nexus device offered via the Play Store only, so I don't see why anyone would believe this would be a first. --uKER (talk) 05:33, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Mentioning of major carriers has been common practice on all smartphone articles. So the fact that its a Nexus device means that Google gets all the credit, and we cannot mention any other carrier who has it because Play Store trumps all? ViperSnake151   Talk  15:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Firstly, Wikipedia is not a buyer's guide. Just like prices, information on who sells the device is not encyclopedic. That said, Play Store information is only there because it's the first place where the device becomes available, and furthermore, it's where Google itself offers it, so the relevance is two-fold. The United States (what you call "America"), is just another country. To 96% of the world population, information about US carriers is absolutely meaningless. --uKER (talk) 17:06, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I tried removing the launch carriers from HTC One under this reasoning, but got told that WP:NOTCATALOG only applies if it is actually written like a catalog. ViperSnake151   Talk  22:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's keep in mind that this is the English Wikipedia, so the list of US carriers is meaningless to much less than 96% of the world's population. -- Dsimic (talk) 20:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess you may have been trying to say that it's meaningless to less than 96% of this Wikipedia's audience. The US-to-world population ratio is undeniable. That said, you should take into account that the target of the English Wikipedia isn't only native English speakers. I'd dare to say native English speakers aren't even the majority. You, being Serbian, should know. I am a Spanish speaker myself and would never consider editing any Wikipedia besides the English one. About the carrier stuff, I'll try to raise the topic in the guideline's talk page. --uKER (talk) 21:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Here, I started this. --uKER (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * On second thought, that makes more sense... I also have zero intentions to edit the Serbian Wikipedia &mdash; in fact, I don't even know whether it exists at all. :)  Ideally, every article would have exactly the same common content in all languages, with additional region-specific details, but that's a pipe dream.  Let's hope there will be some kind of an official guideline. -- Dsimic (talk) 21:35, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Critical Reception
Guys, someone plz add d section of critical reception..!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.57.222 (talk) 08:45, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Can the battery be changed for a larger battery like the Samsung Galaxy Nexus?
Can the battery be changed for a larger battery like the Samsung Galaxy Nexus? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.117.11.111 (talk) 22:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Galaxy Nexus has a removable battery, while the battery in Nexus 5 is not a user-serviceable part. So, I doubt someone will be making a battery with a larger capacity. -- Dsimic (talk) 22:23, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * While your good intention in replying is commendable, you should also give out a notice that Wikipedia is not the place to discuss such thing. In fact, the only discussion allowed here is that aimed at improving the article. --uKER (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing that out, this is not a forum. Well, I forgot that for a moment, will keep it in mind for the future. -- Dsimic (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protection explanation
While I have made 15+ edits to this article and should not protect it because of my work here, the recent batch of IP vandalism has been particularly nasty. Given that they've started to sock, I've semi-protected the page for three days. If anyone objects to this protection, I shall reverse myself. Thanks. Acalamari 19:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2014
In the "Release" section it states something about revisions. It is true a revision has been made since the first model. I want to add a short sentence telling the batch numbers only refer to the date the phone was manufactured. So a phone with batch number 401k isn't necessarily different from a 312k model, only newer. The 310k models are the first version and indeed have some flaws.

J0bb13 (talk) 11:12, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello there! Could you, please, provide an exact sentence you'd like to be added?  Also, are there any references for this? &mdash; Dsimic (talk | contribs) 19:24, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: The page is no longer protected. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 03:31, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Why is there an Issues header?
I've never seen that on any other phone, and it does not seem unbiased. Sturmen (talk) 22:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree. Haters gonna hate. That stuff could eventually be incorporated into a release section, but as it is, it has no NPV. --uKER (talk) 22:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Initially, one or two issues were listed under the "Hardware" section. Though, those issues weren't related strictly to the phone's hardware, so a new section was forked.  I just went ahead and edited the article, looking better now? &mdash; Dsimic (talk) 22:35, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


 * If other phones do not have an issues section may be because they are not so buggy or because the issues section was not added. You can help Wikipedia by adding them.


 * It does not makes sense to move the issues section inside the release section. The issues are not still fixed a month after the release. I am going to move them back to their own section if no one disagrees. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.137.166.46 (talk) 10:05, 29 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You're right. On second thought, incorporating "Known issues" section into the "Release" section wasn't such a great deal, went ahead and restored the previous article layout. &mdash; Dsimic (talk) 13:47, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't think a bug report is a good reference. Who decides which of the thousands of bugs are listed here? "Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Verifiability --Pmsyyz (talk) 22:49, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The decisions are made by the people editing this article, just as for everything else here on Wikipedia. &mdash; Dsimic (talk) 23:47, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

I boldly removed the whole section. They are all sourced to forums and blogs. Find reputable sources that discuss problems with the phone, and they can be incorporated elsewhere. ViperSnake151  Talk  15:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Despite the fact this section was semi-usable, deleting it should be fine at least because no other smartphone article I've read so far had something like that. &mdash; Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * This section not being available on every article on Wikipedia does not prevent it from being in this one. Please, help improve Wikipedia by adding content like this section to every article that makes sense instead of removing it. Please, allow having a neutral point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.49.244.160 (talk) 13:50, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Removal of the known issues section
Why are you removing a section that has valid references? References to these news sources are already used in the page. We need coherency in Wikipedia. Please, check the whole page, not just the section you are interested in hiding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.144.213.54 (talk) 13:35, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Just as a note, please see the section above. &mdash; Dsimic (talk | contribs) 19:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

NFC (Android Beam) Include text to the hardware section that says the Nexus 5 has NFC, Near Field Communication which allows you to use the device with services such as Google Wallet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neofreeyourmind (talk • contribs) 21:36, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Remove the last known issue?
The remaining known issue seems to be something that would not usually affect the consumer experience due to how uncommon it is for normal users to download large files. Would it be fit to remove this issue, or is this issue bigger than it originally seems? MonsieurPoulet (talk) 20:22, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

About Nexus 5 and New Nexus 7 relation
The two devices are related,you can see the design language of the New Nexus 7 in the Nexus 5,same like the Nexus 6 and Nexus 9. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.31.96 (talk) 20:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * A design language in the sense of what their bodies look like?  makes no sense whatsoever, only the similarities in the underlying hardware platforms would make sense; that's why the LG G2 and Nexus 5 are related. &mdash; Dsimic (talk &#124; contribs) 20:56, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd go related as in either hardware relation, or how soon they were released. Weren't they unveiled at the same time? ViperSnake151   Talk  03:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Establishing a relationship that way would make sense. &mdash; Dsimic (talk &#124; contribs) 03:49, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Mods and OSes removed
I added here information about other operating systems for the Nexus 5 - this was removed saying "WP doesnt cover mods you can do to your phone on the phone pages". Where has WP decided not to cover mods? Is User:Galatz aware of the difference between an Android mod and an OS? --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 16:43, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Why would what someone chooses to do with their phone be included? Should we also include information on what apps people with the phone enjoy using? I suggest you read through WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Just because its true and you have a ref doesn't mean we should include it here. -  Galatz Talk  21:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Because the option to choose another OS is only available for a handfull of devices, out of several thousand android devices on the market. If there is a unique property, we mention it, like today in 'News' on the WP homepage: "Rocket Lab's Electron becomes the first rocket to reach orbit using an electric pump-fed engine." --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 21:55, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Any phone you can install a different OS on. It just involves jailbreaking it. There is nothing encyclopedic about it -  Galatz Talk  22:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You are talking about Modding = modifications to Android - not OSes. Otherwise, would you kindly present a source that describes how to install a non-Android OS on "any phone". --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 14:32, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Consider reading Ubuntu Touch and to understand the difference. --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 14:53, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Silence read as consent. See also the cat of the few devices for this OS. --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 09:35, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No, you were wrong. You have your mind made up regardless of the reasons I have given you. Everything other than the Nexus devices, which I have now removed from the category, are Ubuntu specific editions. -  Galatz Talk  15:05, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Aha. So, once again, do you understand that the ability to install a non-Android OS is confined to a few devices (based on their open source code tree)? Or, please provide a source that prooves otherwise. --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 17:25, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No matter what it is, you are saying what a very small select number of people chose to do with their phone. It is useless information to include in an encyclopedia. Just because you can install something on a phone it doesn't mean it should be included. -  Galatz Talk  17:28, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * First you argue "Any phone you can install a different OS on", then when you learn there are only a few, you turn 180° and dispute relevance because of rarity. It _is_ a unique property of the Nexus phones that they allow installation of different OSes, and thus deserves mentioning. What mission are you on? --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 13:10, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I never said that, I said your point is moot. I am well aware how these things work. I have given you wikipedia policy to support my conclusion. You have ignore wikipedia policy and said what you think. So basically you want it there because of WP:ILIKEIT, and nothing else. Got it. -  Galatz Talk  14:53, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * So the message from 22:03, 24 January, was not written by you? --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said, you are not looking to follow wikipedia policy. You are just talking in circles now. You have your answer, so I am no longer interested in helping you understand. -  Galatz Talk  19:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not possible to understand your arguments because they are obviously erratic. Please stop sabotaging this article now. --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 23:45, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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