Talk:Ngoni people

Oh the humanity!
I tried to salvage the recently added content (I'm too lazy to produce a diff). It truly distresses me that regularly people add content to African articles without, not necessarily verifying it, but rather checking for relevance and at least trying to get the spelling of the names correct etc.

Was "Twwana" just a typo or is there some text which actually uses this as a name? This is exactly the reason why I'm so pessimistic about "reliable sources" written by people who don't seem to know what they're talking about. RS and NOR are obviously not 100% perfect principles for all types of articles and if they were strictly enforced they could even become problematic.

Everyone knows there aren't any clicks in Setswana.

Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 21:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is the diff. I agree there is some problematic stuff, but other parts seem useful. However, I think it would be best to pull all of it to talk pending verification. We should be careful with unverified stuff, especially when it looks like verbiage from an older source (I agree, Zyx: whatever source this comes from, it looks a little too old). By the way, do the spelling errors look like typical OCR errors or not? &mdash; mark &#9998; 21:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I think you're right! Though, "Defeqane" is a common "alternative spelling" ( :-x ... I didn't say anything!) to "Difaqane". I just wonder what type of person uses OCR to read 2 paragraphs and simply dumps them in an article without even checking them for typographical errors. Okay, I'll stop complaining; it's 12:35 in the morning and I need to chase my nephew and cousin out of my bedroom (they're playing Need for Speed) and go to bed (or perhaps take 1 more shot at this frustrating Mathematics problem I've been working on)...

I think that moving it to the talk page is best.

Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 22:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Pulled out pending verification
''Following is unreferenced text that was added on 14 dec 2006. It moreover contains a lot of redundant text, duplicating the info from the first paragraphs:''

Ngoni Wangoni (Sometimes referred to as the Zulu Ngoni, or Sulu)

The WaNgoni were groups of refugees during the last great migration throughout the 1840s, as a result of South Africa's coinvulsion called the Mfecane, "the crushing", (Difaqane, "the scattering" among Basotho) which produced the "Shaka Zulu". Some Nguni groups, caught up in the wars with Shaka, brought their military organization and straegies with them and reached eastern Africa between Lakes Tanganyika and Nyasa (todays Lake Malawi), after mixing with conquered peoples on the way, effecting Africa as far away as Lake Victoria Nyasa.

Before their arrival there had been no unit larger than a clan-chiefdom in East Africa. It was the Ngoni who transformed a good part of today's Tanzania, particularly the southern part with the Sangu and Hehe, who then showed little differnce in weapons or dress.

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Before the Ngoni arrived there had been no unit larger than a clan-chiefdom in East Africa. It was the Ngoni who transformed a good part of today's Tanzania, particularly the southern part with the Sangu and Hehe. who then began showing little difference in weapons or dress.

One group reached the modern Songea district early in the 1840s, while the other divided, one section moving northward to settle at Runswe, roughly ninety miles northwest of Tabora (Where Oscar Baumann called them Watuta Ngoni and they worried the Germans). The remaining sections raided as far to the west as Uha before returing to Songea about 1858.

Lycaon 22:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The editor added it again tonight, but I have reverted and placed a note on his/her talk page. Unfortunately, the editor seems to have a dynamic IP. &mdash; mark &#9998; 07:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "Before the Ngoni arrived there had been no unit larger than a clan-chiefdom in East Africa." - Source? Because the Maravi Empire was certainly one of the major trading empires that covered most of the area around Lake Malawi, including it's bordering area with Tanzania where the most northern group of the Ngoni ended up. Meroe? Nubia? Egypt? Somalia? Rwanda? The Baganda of Uganda? What does the writer mean that "Before the Ngoni arrived there had been no unit larger than a clan-chiefdom in East Africa." Is it me, or is there a strong South African, 'apartheid era history' bias to a lot of the articles about Africa on Wikipedia? Including the one of the Bantu Migrations.MrSativa (talk) 08:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Scouting in Malawi
Can someone please help render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Chichewa? Thanks! Chris 01:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ngoni-c1958.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

copy editor's notes
this came up on the GOC back log elimination drive as needing "copy editing." Oh, my, it needs so much more. I've fixed as much grammar and punctuation as I can, expanded the lead, and fixed spelling of the English material (but not the Ngori language). I removed a few sentences that were obviously erroneous (for example, Bismarck's unification of East Germany). This needs at least the attention of someone versed in the history of these peoples. Auntieruth55 (talk) 21:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced addition
I have removed the following addition:


 * son of Nonyanda ka Ziguda Jele according to the information given by the original Gumbi clan in Kwazulu Natal and not kaHlatshwayo as other researchers stated,

It does not seem to have any academic source, and the style is inappropriate. If there is any dispute about the name of Zwangendaba's father, it should go on the page about Zwangendaba. It is irrelevant here, since this page is about the Ngoni people, not about Zwangendaba himself. Kanjuzi (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2015 (UTC)