Talk:Nian Rebellion

Origin of 信賴
"The modern Chinese words Xin-Lai (信賴) and Xin-Ren (信任), meaning believe and trust, may come from Lai Wenguang and Ren Zhu, leaders of the Nien Rebellion."

Come on, how likely is that?

信賴 and 信任 are perfectly formed words, and not recent additions to Chinese vocabulary:

宋˙沈括˙故信陽軍羅山縣令陳君墓志銘：「仕于邦，則當劇處繁，能以多為約，人信賴之. 」

(for non-Chinese speakers, 信賴 here is used in a text from the Song dynasty.

I am not familiar with Wp editing, but I see that this flight of fancy originates from Hans yulun lai, who was banned from Chinese Wp; who has been repeatedly accused of vandalism, and incoherent/unsourced editing; and who created several pages which were marked for speedy deletion.

So I suppose that simply erasing this paragraph would be best. 81.57.148.99 (talk) 21:27, 27 January 2011 (UTC) yves

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Difference in Chinese names
There are two names for the event in Chinese:捻亂 is used by Qing dynasty and ROC, and 捻军起义 by PRC. The difference represents different views on the nature of the rebellion. Since PRC praises rebellions against non-communist governments, it's called 捻军起义, where 起义 means (just) revolt. ROC and previous dynasties condemn rebellions against governments, so it's called 捻亂, where 亂 means 'riot'. Both historical perspectives should be reflected. I used different Traditional vs. Simplified names to show the difference. If there is a better way, I'm open to it. Simply showing the name used by PRC is POV. --Happyseeu (talk) 21:47, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a particularly big deal. "Rebellion" (捻亂) and "uprising" (起义) are pretty much interchangeable in English. Native speakers don't read any particular nuance into the specific word used—rebellions, uprisings or revolts are seen as identical events. Philg88 ♦talk 06:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that here it is not in fact a "particularly big deal," though I would do so on the grounds that "rebellion" is pretty much standard in English scholarship and is not controversial. In some other cases, however, the difference between "rebellion" and "uprising" does make a difference, as in Boxer rebellion which I and a number (but not a large enough number!) of editors maintained was a misnomer and misleading and preferred "Boxer Uprising."ch (talk) 06:24, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. While I agree that the English does not present problems, I was completely confused seeing 4 simplified characters, yet only 2 traditional! I was wondering why this event should have two different names, depending on what writing system is used. But, from your explanation, it seems that the difference arises from governments - not writing systems. Wouldn't it be clearer to simply state this factually in the introduction? For example: The Nian Rebellion (known in PRC as 捻军起义: simplified Chinese, niǎn jūn qǐ yì: Hanyu Pinyin; known in ROC as: 捻亂: traditional Chinese; Tongyong Pinyin: nian luan; Wade–Giles: nien-chün ch'i-yi). As it stands now, it does not seem correct, since Hanyu Pinyin is now also the official romanization of ROC yet, from your explanation, ROC would not use niǎn jūn qǐ yì. Also, since Wade–Giles was in use in the 80 years after the rebellion's end and before the PRC, it seems strange that the Wade–Giles would use the PRC name. Finally, Hong Kong uses traditional, while Singapore and Malaysia use simplified. Does Hong Kong use the Taiwan name, Singapore and Malaysia use the PRC name?--Zahzuhzaz (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

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