Talk:Nicholas Dukagjini

Anachronism
Nicholas Dukagjini, one of the members of the League of Lezhë, is mentioned dead sometime between 1452-1454, as per this source: Akademia e Shkencave e Shqipërisë (2002), page 308 |, ISBN 99927-1-622-3 (quote in Albanian: Nikollë Dukagjini ka vdekur gjatë viteve 1452-1454. Djemtë e tij, Draga dhe Gjergji, nuk arritën të kishin veprimtari politike, sepse në vitin 1462 u vranë. Si pasardhës i vetëm i tyre mbeti djali i mitur i Gjergjit, Nikolla, i cili hyri në shërbim të Venedikut).

Another Nicholas, Nicholas Pal Dukagjini (son of Pal), returned to Albania in 1481 and joined the anti-Ottoman movement led by Gjon Kastrioti II. I have still a little work to do on Nicholas Pal Dukagjini and I will further clarify this 1481 rebellion section. Nevertheless there are several sources mentioning Pal's son involvement. Even if we were in lack of sources and made such an assumption that this Nicholas (son of Gjergj) was part of this rebellion, it's hardly probable that a ninety year old (maybe more, maybe less) of the 15th century, took a trip to his homeland and actively lead a successful rebellion against the Ottomans. He is mentioned since 1409 (maybe he was already an adult by then) and in 1481 (when he could have been almost a century old, but in reality was dead since 1452-1454) another Dukagjini of the same name was protagonist of the armed movement. Empathictrust (talk) 09:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Very good observations Empathictrust. You are maybe right. Still take care that Dukagjini family was very big with many different branches and many of them had names like Nicholas, Paul and Gjorgje. The text about certain Nicholas Dukagjin who died in 1452-1454 maybe refers to another Nicholas because:
 * the following lords remained alive: Lord Arianiti Comnenus, Lord Coico (Gojko) Balsha, Lords Nicholas and Paul Dukagjini, my father Lord Gjin Musachi, Lord Andrew Thopia and Lord Peter Spani. They all lived to an advanced age and most of them reigned long. - Primary source (and not very reliable one) Gjon Muzaka claim that Nicholas Dukagjini survived 1479 siege of Scutari. I don't think that he referred to Nicholas who was Pal's son because he would not mention him as lord before his father Paul.
 * Maybe he was not adult in 1409. Leke Dukagjini lived between 1410 and 1481. "Our" Nicholas could live between 1409 and 1481. Muzaka says that he "lived to an advanced age"
 * --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)