Talk:Nicholas Longworth/Archive 1

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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:51:30 -0500

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Aiken, SC
Been there, its a little town of 25,000 right off I-95. I wonder if Davis' summer home is still there. Maybe there's an historical marker.

Nick Longworth Article
The point of mentioning Davis and his death there in Aiken, SC is to show how well-connected he was and to show the interconnectedness of the upper political class of that age. One of the whole points in Wikipedia is that a reader can go from one connection to another, as in "Oh, he was a friend of Assistant Sec of War, Davis... who was Davis...oh, he's they guy behind the Davis cup. Don't you see the point, its not a distraction. Other's can do more research on Longworth's politics. I'm talking about the man's life and death and political connections. SimonATL 17:03, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Longworth had lots of friends, as the article already states. How well the friends played tennis is not important. Maybe some friends played very good golf too? How about bridge? I thought your point was that alice wasn't there--but the article already says they were estranged. What is important? article should say something about his position on the 10 main political issues of the 1920s. Rjensen 17:07, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * 10 Main political issues of 1920? Who "SAYS" the article should say that? Come on! Wiki editors should be able to post all things relevent to an article and then let the comments role in. There were many aspects of Longworth's life worth noting, and it went FAR FAR beyond just the politics of the day. Read some more of Nick/Alice's bios and you'll see my point...maybe. Yes, it might be a good idea to expand on the social lives of men like the musician, big boozer, card player, womanizer, ect, that Longworth was. Dude, he was NOT just a politician in any typical sense. In fact, he was, in some ways pretty unique, and in some ways not. Not that many Speakers of the House were/are world-class musicians, for example and why didn't he pursue it and why was Alice RL so hateful that she would literally walk out of the parlor when he began to play. Hey, this doesn't have to be "National Enquirer," but look, the guy led a pretty interesting life and not only interesting in a political way. Do you think the representatives named their new office building after him, just because he was a "good politician?" no, they story goes way beyond just the usual smoozing. What do you think? And my point IS valid about links that take readers to unexpected places. OK, Davis is NOT that big in Longworth's life, even though his wife, Laura, was probably one of the many women that Nick had affairs with, but its interesting to many people how the people of these times' lives were interwoven...why de-emphasize that sort of thing? Hey I didn't know Nick had anything to do with the guy who first sponsored the Davis Cup until I was researching this article and only when I read that the Assistant Secretary of War was some man named Davis, went that link and found out that he was the Davis of the Davis Cup. We should ENCOURAGE these sorts of things, don't you think? - of course within the bounds of reason.


 * many articles have a trivia section--looks like it will be a worth a long one... :) Yes they named the office building because he was a great politician, not because a buddy played tennis. Longworth played the field, not tennis. People iunterested in tennis will not tarry long on Longworth, I suspect. OK--enough about tennis! We should encourage people to ask why there is a Longworth building and why his wife could not handle his politics. (She supported the progressives in 1912 who defeated him-- a nasty trick on her part.) Rjensen 03:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Dude - You're missing my whole point. Its not about tennis, and that's not that important, its the man's life, what made up his "politicalness" and just why was he so popular on BOTH sides of the aisle. Forget tennis. Yes- just why DID his buddies name a building after him and why did his wife side consistently with her father, TR (not much of a controversy there, she admired, respected and loved the hell off TR despite her stormy youth, but quite the opposite with Longworth). Neverthless, she DIS-couraged him from running for the 1912 nomination and then discourage him from the Progressive deal to some extent, even by TR's admission - she had some uncanny political instincts, all negatively oriented, basically as she seemed to play to people negatives as opposed to their positives. Did you know she burned Nick's 1690 Stradivarius in her fireplace upon his death? - wHAT's hatred!


 * No I did not know the Stradivarius story--that is astonishing. His family were leading sponsors of the arts in Cincy (the roosevelts cared little for the arts). But Longworth had the ability to bring together feuding factions inside the party (not counting Alice), which was a rare skill in the 1920s. No senator had that skill, and so the main achievements came from the House. Rjensen 03:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes at least one biography notes Alice's burning of Nick's violin. Tragic that she came to loathe her husband that charmed the majority of representatives and whom people on both sides of the asile really loved. SimonATL 14:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Gardner & Longworth Working in the Bureau of Education

 * Restored The informal methods of working in the House are hardly trivial. The contrast between the aristocratic Republican Nick L and the man of the people Gardner is significant. In these days of increased political polarization, the fact that these 2 party leaders could work to gether amicably and indeed become friends speaks much about the lost common ground or middle ground between the 2 main US political parties. The term "smoke-filled rooms" didn't just pop up without a reason. SimonATL 14:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The Fourth?
If his father's name was Nicholas Longworth II, shouldn't he be called Nicholas Longworth III, instead of IV? Nikofeelan (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Turns out "IV" was a typo- I've corrected it to "III" XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I think any number after his name is pedantic. He didn't have a number when he was alive, why should some editor add it a century later. Roseohioresident (talk) 22:01, 14 January 2015 (UTC)