Talk:Nicholas de Moels

Hawise's marriage dates
It may be that Hawise first married in 1224 and married secondly to Nicholas de Moels in 1230, but research should be found.68.37.168.37 (talk) 09:23, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Upon the death of feudal baron James de Newmarch, his daughters Isabel and Hawise split the feudal barony into two moieties. Nicholas de Moels received a summons in 1218, as one of seven others in Somerset and Devon, one of 115 England-wide, to attend the royal army at Stamford on St John the Baptist's Day (15 July) in the third week of Henry III (1218). The army was to be used for the siege of Newark Castle, which was held against the king by Robert de Gaugy, a Flemish lieutenant of Philip Marc. The scutage roll states: Johannes Russel mittat unum militem pro terra qui fuit Jacobi de Novomercato (John Russell sent one knight in respect of the land which was of James de Newmarch (Latinised to "New-Market")). Below this entry is the record of a summons to John de Bottrel, who held the other moiety of the barony of North Cadbury: Johannes de Botereauls veniat pro eadem terra (John de Bottrel came in respect of the same land). Therefore Hawise de Newmarch probably first married John in or before 1218. But more research should be found.68.37.168.37 (talk) 09:39, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

She would have married when she came of age, so possibly in 1224.68.37.168.37 (talk) 09:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Article needs to use a better reference
I added the "needs additional citations" tag to indicate that the article really needs to be reconsidered in the light of the 2010 ODNB article: I've amended Moels' date of death to reflect the considerably narrower range given in ODNB compared to that in The Complete Peerage of 1936. It's not likely that that is the only change.

The "Career" section needs to be completely rewritten to not rely on primary sources, as Agricolae has noted. —S MALL JIM   14:28, 13 November 2018 (UTC)


 * And since we are listing areas for improvement, many of the references given are problematic (e.g. the British Library, which is too imprecise, "vol.IV pp.244-5" without naming the work, a bare URL, Sanders op cit. with no prior use), some but not all of which may be resolved when someone with access to ODNB takes a whack at the Career section. Agricolae (talk) 15:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)