Talk:Nick Fury (Ultimate Marvel character)

Merge comments
Don't merge this. Ultimate is different than 616 Marvel. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.101.2.116 (talk • contribs).

Agreed. Merging would be as dumb as a bag of ass. The characters are different for all the Ultimate characters. Mergers, back away. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.139.199.1 (talk • contribs).

Ultimate Marvel exists in a seperate continuity, therefore the characters should have seperate articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.110.140.76 (talk • contribs).
 * Um, not according to the Wikipedia Project Comics guidelines - which specifically mention Ultimate Marvel as an example. I'm not about to suggest a merge (and I'm not familiar enough to be confident with editing Ultimate Fury info anyway), but sooner or later someone will suggest one. If you don't think that's a workable idea, it might be worth preparing some arguments as to why. --Mrph 23:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, now it's suggested... --Mrph 11:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Ultimate Nick Fury's first appearance was not in Ultimates #1. It was during the second arc of Ultimate X-Men, which predated Ultimates by quite a while. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.255.106.225 (talk • contribs).

this article is lacking —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.228.12.70 (talk • contribs).

Since Fury first appeared in an issue of Ultimate Marvel Team-Up, should Brian Bendis be listed as his creator rather than Mark Millar? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mac417 (talk • contribs).

Why shouldn't this be merged with the Nick Fury article? Most Marvel characters who have Ultimate counterparts have both versions on the same page. Isn't it policy to have characters with the same name & done by the same publisher to share a page? Dr Archeville 19:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The Nick Fury from Ultimate Teamup is significantly different from the one who appeared in UXM Return to Weapon X so I think saying Millar is the creator is the most correct. Also leave it unmergedBushido Brown 20:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The two articles should definitely be merged together; all other Marvel characters share one article with their Ultimate counterpart. This shouldn't be any different.

Maybe those other ultimate caracters should be split from their 616 namesakes' articles then. Ultimate characters can even have their own alternate timeline counterparts and those counterparts should be mentioned in the articles of the Ultimate character they are based on.--Bushido Brown 22:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a more general change, not something that's really specific to Ultimate Nick Fury - I think the place to raise suggestions regarding that would really be Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics/editorial_guidelines. Having said that, I think it's also been discussed before, so it might need some justification to overturn the previous decision? --Mrph 23:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Just wondering...
Who is to say that the racial difference is 'the most notable' between the two? 68.195.47.239 23:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this seems a little odd. Surely the Samuel L Jackson implication is enough. Not to mention the baldness/hair being an equally noticable difference. -CieloVagrant

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and reword it. 68.195.47.239 22:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

appearance
while Ultimate Fury is African-American, and was in fact specifically tailored after actor Samuel L. Jackson with his permission.[1]

Isn't that his LATER appearance? Because I seem to remember the guy in marvel team-up and Ultimate X-men did NOT look like SLJ? --Charlesknight 13:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I know this has already been discussed a little, but let's get the formal discussion out of the way - should Ultimate Nick Fury be merged with Nick Fury, or shouldn't it? The editorial guidelines on alternate versions specifically mention Ultimate Marvel as an example, and suggest that characters should be covered in a single article unless the main article "grows unmanageably large".

Survey

 * Merge --Mrph 11:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No Merge Bad idea. Brian Boru is awesome 00:01, 16 October
 * Merge - is it too late to vote? If not, I vote for a merge (Animedude 20:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC))

No CONCENSUS Brian Boru is awesome 16:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * I know people have strong feelings on this... but Wolverine, Hulk and others are being merged - so why not Fury? There should be some consistency in which articles are/aren't merged,shouldn't there? --Mrph 11:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ultimate Nick Fury is way different than the regular Nick Fury. He's a General and I don't remember seing the Avengers as a unit of SHIELD 616 (Marvel Universe Main). Brian Boru is awesome 00:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

^What he said --Bushido Brown 22:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The guidelines specifically say "Alternate versions of characters should have entries in the main article unless that article grows unmanageably large" and, due to the massive differences between Nick Fury and Ultimate Nick Fury, one of two things would happen if they merged, either the Nick Fury article would become exceedingly large and unworkable, or there would be sparse information on Ultimate Nick Fury, which wouldn't really cover the topic of him. Keep them seperate, as they are NOT the same character in any way, they are just 2 characters with the same name who fill the same void in two different universes in two completely different ways. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.184.156.76 (talk • contribs).
 * Why do we have to treat comics as something with less worth and dignity than anything else? Dammit, TV series and movies have pages for every single little detail, we can't have pages for two DIFFERENT UNIVERSES? Damn. This way, we'll have Ultimate characters with just a little resume, as if for being alternate versions they don't deserve anything more.--User:admvenom
 * As a rule, Ultimate titles get their own article, but all alternate versions of a character get a single article. There are exceptions, but there is some sense behind it - comics tend to spawn an awful lot of variants. And in most cases if you're splitting articles for Age of Apocalypse/Marvel 616/Earth X/1602/Ultimate etc, etc... there's going to be an awful lot of repetition and duplication. In any case, decision was that there was no consensus to merge for Nick Fury...? --Mrph 16:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * But you can't compare Ultimate Universe with all the other little alternate universe we've seen over the years. Spidey was the longest running title of the 2099 universe and it lasted "just" 46 issues. Ultimate U is, what, five years old now and will probably go on for a loooooong time. While ok, some characters have little roles and I can agree not to give them individual pages, people like Hulk, Nick Fury, Captain America, Iron Man, Spidey, the X-Men, etc...should have their own pages. If you put this page in the 616 Nick Fury page it will probably suffer a lot of cuts because it will be considered just a little part of that article, with less worth than 616 Nick Fury's fictional bio.

This article needs to be merged with the other Nick Fury article. If Ultimate Nick Fury deserves a separate article then every Ultimate version of a Marvel character needs a separate article. Or is it because he's black? If that's the case the Ultimate Wasp also needs a separate article because she's Asian. The version of Wilson Fisk who appeared in the Daredevil movie would also need a separate article because he's black. And Bruce Banner would need a separate article from the Hulk because he's white and the Hulk is green. See how ridiculous it can get?

Then there's the fact that Ultimate Nick Fury is the SAME CHARACTER as the regular Nick Fury. They are simply different interpretations of the same character. Both versions are named Nick Fury, have an eye patch over the left eye and are part of the SHIELD organization. I know that there is some point where two different versions of a character are so different that they need to be considered separate characters. But the two versions of Nick Fury are not different enough. 110.174.166.224 (talk) 06:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Appearance in Iron Man
Reports on screenings is that SLJ is in the Iron Man movie, after the credits. It was apparently removed in the pre-release viewings to maintain surprise. Suggest editing or sourcing this information. MikeSims (talk) 19:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed -- I just got home from the movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.203.3 (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Superhuman Prowess
"However, it has yet to be clarified why this has not apparently given Fury similar near-superhuman physical prowess like Ultimate Captain America, or if so, why he has chosen to conceal it, as he has apparently done so about his age" I'm not sure he's never displayed superhuman physical prowess. In Ultimate X-Men he once managed to dodge around automatic weapons fire in a confined space for a short period of time, and in Ultimate Galactus (near the end of the first part), he went toe-to-toe with Wolverine and survived. 96.250.132.46 (talk) 05:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Samuel L Jackson and Iron Man II
Might need to be updated to reflect this: http://movies.ign.com/articles/944/944835p1.html

Jackson states that negotiations are stalled.

Article title
Shouldn't this be "Nick Fury (Ultimate Marvel)" instead of "Ultimate Nick Fury"? Or is "Ultimate" actually part of his name? NotARealWord (talk) 10:43, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

does the Ultimate version of Nick Fury also have the middle name Joseph.
The Official Handbook of the Ultimate Marvel Universe just says that his real name is Nick Fury. Is there a reliable source that he has the same middle name as the mainstream version? 110.174.166.224 (talk) 06:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Character biography
" Fury enlisted in the U.S. military, where he was deployed into various conflicts such as the Kosovo Wars. He was later assigned to S.H.I.E.L.D.'s Weapon X program in the original Gulf War." Kosovo War was in 1998-1999. Original Gulf War was in 1990-1991. Let's do the time-warp again?--77.181.135.88 (talk) 21:09, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Hollywood's Nick Fury
Ok, I admit I am not a comic book guy, but I did like the Captain America movie and the first Iron Man movie. Not being familiar with the comic book relationships of the various characters, I had no idea so many of them were intertwined...Spiderman, X-Men, etc. But that's cool.

What did strike me when reading the main article and the comments page was that no mention was made of (sorry, I gotta do it) David Hasselhoff playing Nick Fury in the (IMHO) horrible movie version of "Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

I can only surmise that this obviously missed fact is due to a general un-appreciation for either Hasselhoff's portrayal of Fury, for the storyline of the movie, or the poor handling of the story/character in the movie - or all of the above!

Comments (ducking behind the nearest solid object) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.123.151 (talk) 01:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


 * He is mentioned on the Nick Fury in other media article, exactly where he should be. He doesn't really bear mentioning on this page or the main Nick Fury page at all ~ 98.111.114.188 (talk) 23:37, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Ultimate Marvel Team-Up
Ultimate Team-Up #5 is non-canon, so first appearance section should be changed.--Starsprime3 (talk) 18:46, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 18 January 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved per consensus. Logical arguments have been presented by nominator, and all the supporters. — usernamekiran (talk)  21:17, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

The initial name doesn't seem to be follow Wikipedia's naming conventions. NeoBatfreak (talk) 08:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. ToThAc (talk) 18:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ultimate Nick Fury → Nick Fury (Ultimate Marvel character)
 * Ultimate Captain America → Captain America (Ultimate Marvel character)
 * Ultimate Iron Man (character) → Iron Man (Ultimate Marvel character)
 * Ultimate Spider-Man (character) → Spider-Man (Ultimate Marvel character)
 * Ultimate Thor → Thor (Ultimate Marvel character)
 * Ultimate Wolverine → Wolverine (Ultimate Marvel character)
 * Comment - Ultimate Spider-Man (character), Ultimate Wolverine, Ultimate Captain America, Ultimate Iron Man (character), and Ultimate Thor should be considered at the same time as this nomination. Argento Surfer (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - seems clear cut to me. Argento Surfer (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Support: In-story, the character is named simply Spider-Man. Just like the mainstream character, whose comic books are named "Amazing Spider-Man", "Spectacular Spider-Man", etc; but the character's name is still Spider-Man Cambalachero (talk) 17:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC) (comment moved here from Talk:Ultimate Spider-Man (character) by TriiipleThreat)
 * Oppose the WP:COMMONNAME for this character and all the ones Argento listed begin with Ultimate.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Per WP:PRECISE, the disambiguation of "character" is unnecessary, as none of these characters have more than one Wikipedia article with that title. Therefore, if moved, the disambiguation "(Ultimate Marvel)" would suffice for all of them, e.g. Wolverine (Ultimate Marvel). Fortdj33 (talk) 20:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Spider-Man has two articles, one for the comic title and one for the character.★Trekker (talk) 20:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * So does Iron Man. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Everyone except Nick Fury had a solo comic in the Ultimate imprint at some point. Cambalachero (talk) 12:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * But those don't have their own articles.★Trekker (talk) 14:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If Ultimate Hulk's page wasn't merged by consensus, would the same claim happen to that version of Hulk? --Rtkat3 (talk) 18:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Guess so.★Trekker (talk) 18:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * So, is the decision going to be rename or not?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No consensus yet.★Trekker (talk) 10:37, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. Move as proposed, which is in accordance to the article titles policy. WP:COMMONNAME is favorable to move, in contrary to what the opposer stated, as the commonly recognizable name appears to be without the initial Ultimate. Also, (Ultimate Marvel character) is more suitable than (Ultimate Marvel) as the latter is not just about characters but a whole lot of other things. The "character" in the title would accurately describe the topic. — Za  wl  14:45, 1 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.