Talk:Nick Palmer

Weasel, bias
Although generally a good, well-referenced article, there are a couple of slips where it starts to sound like a political leaflet:

"He is a diligent constituency MP, engaging with matters of local concern"

How do you objectively evidence that someone is a "diligent" MP? Perhaps he is known as a diligent MP (citing a source that says he is) but otherwise, can I suggest we drop this phrase? AndrewRT(Talk) 22:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * One can, for example, look at his record of answering constituents' letters. Parliamentary Profiles indicates that he set himself response-time targets for this and recent statistics indicate that he consistently ranks very high amongst MPs in this respect. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I've cited this source and changed the text to be more specific. A few other snippets:

He campaigns on a platform of positive politics[citation needed]

Could you provide a citation for this?

He regularly canvasses the area

Dont all politicians? Does he do this more than others? Based on what evidence?

Thanks for your help with this. AndrewRT(Talk) 22:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

No, not all politicians canvass. The ones in safe seats, tend not to, for example. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Article class
What class do you think this article is? It's clearly no longer stub class, but I was wondering whether it Start, B or even Good Article? AndrewRT(Talk) 22:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've just reviewed the GA criteria and we're nearly there. The only issue seems to be some details that are not sourced, e.g. the name of his dog.  I'll make anothre hunt for sources and then consider putting it forward for review. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think this article could be improved substantially and quickly -as an educational encyclopedia article meeting NPOV, No original research,Identifying reliable sources, and Notability.    I'll try and get some additional sources for parliamentary work as this is far more important than hobbies and I'll try and put it into prose rather than lists. JRPG (talk) 22:47, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Quotes
I can't see how quotes such as: 'Labour stands for sustained, planned development of affordable housing with good public transport available, not for rewarding speculative greed' add value to this article.

Quotes need to be distinctive and say something novel, these don't.

Rsloch (talk) 10:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This quote relates to a hot issue in the constituency - a plan to develop lots of housing upon green-belt land. Dr Palmer's views on this matter are a matter of public debate and so notable.  I agree that we need more in the article to make this context clear and will endeavour to provide more details and sources.  Colonel Warden (talk) 09:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If these quotes were in the text as examples of NP's views they, in general, would add value to the article. A list of mostly bland quotes don't.

Something on the lines of: 'Palmer has done a lot of work trying to protect the Green Belt in his constituency even raising it with the PM' is better than a political soundbite like ''Labour stands for...'

Rsloch (talk) 11:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that we should tie related material together into sections and sub-topics. Such work requires that we first assemble sourced material which can then be aggregated and polished.  Direct quotes from Dr Palmer are useful material since they represent his views directly without original research or synthesis.  As he is a politician, his quotes will tend to have a political character and the reader will both understand and expect ths.  The only issue is the selection of quotes.  The quote to which you object comes from PMQ - a high-profile occasion which receives national coverage in the media and in which Dr Palmer is not often called to speak.  It is therefore notable. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I have revised the page into, what I see as, a better format. It can always be undone but I ask that people consider whether a list of quotes is better than them being used to reference the text.

Rsloch (talk) 13:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have reverted since I do consider that the quotes have merit and another editor has supported this position. Colonel Warden (talk) 15:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

My revisions followed the format of the vast majority of MP articles on Wikipedia. I picked a few MPs articles at random, no quotes sections, I looked at all the PMs back to Wilson, no quotes section, so why have one for a backbencher? It's not as if the quotes are actually any good.

So to avoid an undoing war please explain why this article should be of a different format to the vast majority (if not all) othe MP ones. Otherwise I'll revert things back to my version.

Rsloch (talk) 17:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This article is still too much of a Palmer propaganda leaflet in places, it should stick to facts. I removed "He regularly canvasses the area" since I have lived in the constituency for over 10 years and have never seen him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.243.220.22 (talk) 15:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Constituency, cook book and weasels.
Firstly, the previous edit was just a reorganisation separating politics from much less notable private life and hobbies. I want to add some numerical material relating to the constituency as phrases like This steady hard work need either to be in quotes or to disappear.

The cook book was removed by dashbot. Two other images of mine with a similar fair use license have also gone in the last month.

JRPG (talk) 13:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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