Talk:Nickelback/Archive 1

All about the Pot
There is no mention of how Nickleback was at first all about the pot. Their first music video shows Chad clipping bud from a plant and getting his grow-op busted by the rcmp! Now they're all about the sucking really hard.

Get Lost Critics!
this band's full of copycats

Hi all today i decided to rant on about this band here instead of vandelizing the article. First of all i apologize for doing so for many times but i am fed up of this band. Bands like Nickelback is holding back unknown bands who are probably more talented then nickelback. What we do need is another band to start a brand new era of rock just like Nirvana have done in the early 90's.

bands like Nickelback are making songs and throwing them on a cd. people purchasing the cd and radio requests is what makes them popular. if you're tired of hearing the band then tell everyone to stop purchasing their cds. somehow i doubt it will work, buckwheat.

'''This statement is funny as I for one am tired of seeing rock in so many microniche's. Look all rock fans want Rock, not fuckin new genres. So if music is similar then so be it as its targeted at rebels not nerds. Nowadays all nerds are rock fans that read critics bs then pick there music tastes. Nickelback are popular as Rock fans like them, they dont need critics to poster them everywhere, there music does it for them.'''

Way Way Too One-sided
This page is way too one-sided in the way in which it talks about how people feel about nickelbacks music and members. There are numerous cheap shots taken at the lead singer and the singles released by the band. Nickelback does have many critics but they also have many album sales which means they have just as many fans. Nuetrality on this page really needs to me fixed immediately.

SARCASTIC?
The description of the nickelback "song" (I use the term loosely) rockstar has changed to infer that the song is a sarcastic "attack" on commercialism, when in actuallity it is the musical equivelant of a rich kid saying he has everything he ever wanted without having to work to get it.

That's your opinion. 141.158.151.206 13:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Biased?
I don't know if anyone else noticed but the paragraph"style" is biased. However, when I tried to edit it, it shows something completely different. Why?

''Every two years, Nickleback likes to release songs that sounds just the previous ones that had been released. Please see http://www.nicklebacksucks.com''. This quote sounds biased to me. I'm going to delete it but I'll paste this message here, just in case if it's not.

As with many bands, Nickelback's lyrics deal mostly with shitty music... I'm not that familiar with the band - but is this entry correct? --Nephandus 17:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

100% correct

Live Shows

 * Seems to be sloppy and uncited. Anyone? TheDavesr 23:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms
By the way, take a look at Good Charlotte's page. Obviously that band has a lot of critics, but the page is very well done in terms of being neutral. This page needs that more.

Is it me, or is this page a battle between pro and anti- Nickelbackers? By the way, I have never heard Chad Kroeger mention anything about Led Zeppelin and would appreciate to have some proof of him comparing Nickelback to Zeppelin. 205.238.205.220 09:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms
The criticisms section of this article is unduly long. This article is about the band, not their critics. I'm planning to pare it down and keep a brief summary in its stead if there are no heartfelt objections. The section also cites no sources and is 99.9% weasel words like "critics argue" and "opponents suggest" and other sourceless potshots. Vincent Valentine 20:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Even though I'm not familiar with their music, I've heard that Nickelback is infamous for having its songs sound almost exactly the same. But my friend told me that there are two certain songs that have exactly the same length, tempo, key, rhythm, chords, entrances/exits, etc., and if you play them together, sound exactly the same except for lyrics, of course. Does anyone know which ones they are? Gus 22:21, 2004 Apr 14 (UTC) I think he was referring to "Just Four" and "Just For," which was the same song re-released on Silver Side Up. Some of Nickelback's songs may sound similar but no others are exactly the same.

Also, the only reason "How You Remind Me" and "Someday" seem similar in the link is because the songs are in low quality.

--Er, no, they sound similar on a high-quality version as well. They use nearly identical chord progs, with a near-identical breakdown in the center. How about we put a link to the NPR article on the guy who discovered that they recycle their music? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4258547	 	+ (Edited: link was broken)

"Just For"
The line: In Silver Side Up, Nickelback did something that not many bands do by recreating their own song with Just For. Some bands issue remixes or live versions of songs but Nickelback rerecorded a crunchier version of one of their more popular "Curb" songs.''

should probably be removed. It isn't that uncommon for bands to re-record their older material. Admittedly rare, however it isn't quite so unique that it should be mentioned in a Wikipedia article :) MrHate July 1, 2005 11:11 (UTC)

Yeah, Nickelback fans are such cultural Philistines. Guided by Voices did it over a decade ago with "Game of Pricks" and "My Valuable Hunting Knife" - originally on "Alien Lanes" then redone for "Tigerbomb" EP. Neil Young also would release an acoustic solo version of songs then a rock version with Crazy Horse of songs such as "Hey Hey My My" and "Rockin' In The Free World".

Because, you know, Guided By Voices is just so popular. I should have known that right off the bat.

NPOV
This article seems to advocate Nickelback (and I am a fan), particularly in the Criticisms section. It reads like an answer to Nickelback's critics. Also, the song commentary in the section on the new drummer isn't appropriate to the section, and possibly not appropriate at all, since wikipedia isn't the forum for song analysis.--Esprit15d 13:54, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, I suggest, for multiple reasons, a summary of the AMG review. What's there is too long, and I've better things to do over changing it myself. :) Drdr1989 22:54, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Criticisms
Is there any concern that this section uses too much text directly copied from www.allmusic.com? Wikipedia frowns upon plagerism. Would this section just be improved by using keywords of criticism from the All Music article?


 * I agree, the quote is bloody huge and serves little purpose but the author seemed lazy. Also the criticisms section is ridiculously large when compared to the size of the overall article. This alone seems rather biased to me. I mean the article has only basic factual data on the band and then dives headlong into criticisms which take up nearly half the article. Thoughts? -Vincent.


 * They're valid criticisms. &mdash; NRen2k5 23:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Fastest popular band?
They seem to be getting popular really fast. Not without reason but I think it could be bad for the band though.

ur telling me they are f"kin sellouts now and compared to grunge bands, they are horrible as well. You can't compare them to Grunge and they should never be associated with it. They are like many other same sounding bands. (Theory, creed, 3 doors down)

"Openly gay"
User User:70.248.252.11 edited the article to say that the band is "openly gay" and added a link to an interview that allegedly shows this. The page to which the link goes says nothing of the sort, and a bit of googling also turns up nothing obvious. I'm removing the claim (and the link, which exists only to support it) pending the presentation of some actual evidence. What the fuck is wrong with you people, THEIR A GOD DAM BAND, relax, who cares about thier sexual prefrence

Sales
Um i added that there latest album went double platinum and this can be proven by the album charts on billboard.please check and varify.


 * Great. Well, read up on WP:CITE and resubmit your change, this time citing it.  Thanks.  --Yamla 20:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Need To know ALOT of Info about Nickelback
I need to find out alot about Nickelback and their manner of singing, also, If someone knew how get ahold of a singing program I would really like that Email me at; [nedeau88@yahoo.com]


 * This might be difficult, since Chad Kroeger is one of the world's most horrible singers... Adam Bishop 00:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I tend to completely disagree. I think Fred Durst would fit that bill. Oh wait; he's totally out of style now.  to nedeau88 : do you mean lyrics?

drummer
can we clear up this drummer thing. some anonymous users keep changing the drummer. who is the current drummer and who is past?--Alhutch 04:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

drummer
can we clear up this drummer thing. some anonymous users keep changing the drummer. who is the current drummer and who is past?--Alhutch 04:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

NPOV, unencyclopedic?
I removed the following text from the article. It was added by 69.251.185.198. It is my opinion that the text is not neutral and may even fall prey to the WP:NOR rules. Does anyone have any comments? --Yamla 03:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes you have removed reasonable comment but have allowed the biased comment to stand This page is now not even half as representative of the band as it was two months ago. The photo is gone. There is a logo there that makes the page look ridiculous, and the text, in my opinion, can no way be described as impartial..

Good Job Yamla--Nighthawkx15 05:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Nighthawk


 * Nickelback's style is best described as hard rock; no electronic sounds or DJs gueststar in their songs. The frontman Chad Kroeger is the "make or break" element of the band, with his distinctive, gravely voice that is capable of projecting a wide range of emotions, thanks to his control of pitch and tone. Most of their most popular singles don't contain any memorable guitar or drum solos; the sound is tight but Kroeger's voice carries and sustains the songs through verse and hook. The result is radio friendly hard rock with no frills; save some dubbing in a few of their songs for dramatic effect ("Figured You Out"). Nickelback has also acquirred some comparisons to bands of the 1970s, in the sense that they remain melodic despite playing hard, and seldom if ever require censorship.


 * As many bands, Nickelback's lyrics deal mostly with either acquirring romance, the loss of romance, or the transition between love and hate in relationships. Earlier albums included songs discussing problems many can relate to, such as parental desertion and domestic abuse. The hard rock sound contains melodic elements palatable to fans that usually would not listen to this genre. The context provided in Nickelbacks' songs also make it easy to create a mental picture of the subject matter; they seldom if ever speak metaphorically.


 * Their third album, "All the Right Reasons", sees a progression in their subject matter. Kroeger deals with nostalgia, friendships and the passage of time in one of the 2005 singles "Photograph". "Rockstar" has the band reflecting on the consequences of their new status as recognized musicians; something that is executed with solid ability and thought. The fact that Nickelback seldom touches on taboos in their lyrics (profane or otherwise) make their sound an easy option for both rock, alternative, and mix stations. This, predictably, is also what makes their detractors so vehement in their criticism.

explanation of article
I made the above edits to the Nickelback entry, having their latest 3 albums and having listened to all extensively. I will admit I was not familiar with the 'original research' policy; though I did my best to tone down my statements about their work and my personal opinion. The criticism section comes together to communicate a very unfavorable portrayel of the band; and I felt that some of their strengths should be mentioned. I did not mention the "Hero" single on the Spiderman soundtrack for this reason; it would seem too positive to mention their successes. Instead I focused on their style and tried to answer the inevitable reader question of where their style / appeal lies. All of the remarks concerning their musical style (lack of solos; kroeger being the driving force) is not a personal opinion; by listening to any of the last 3 albums kroeger's voice is always at the forefront; and instrumental solos are kept to a minimum. The description I included of their lyrical tendencies is also not an opinion; Nickelback tends to tell a story in all of their songs; they don't ever seem to use metaphors or abstract imagery.

Being in college; I am privy to the opinions of many indie rock DJs who despise this band. My final statement was meant to address their reasons for their distaste, as well as form a logical link to the Criticisms section. I admit that I did let some of my positive opinion of the band seep in; believing that the criticisms section seemed to indicate that an opposite section of sorts should exist. Maybe I should have split the Styles section up and just had 'styles' and 'strengths' or something to that effect; more in a musical context.

another thought
I've done some extensive additions and editing to other articles (mostly comics and television) shows, and never ran into a citing issue. Most of my information was simply from the shows directly; as I had memorized them. In defense of my previous submission, I believe that a straight description of their musical tendencies would serve as a valid identifier to a first time reader as long as no opinion was present. I do still believe that there should be a counter to the criticisms section.

changes made
sources have been cited and text reworked for a straight description of Nickelback's musical tendencies.

Who's "Vikedal"?
He's mentioned in the sentences about the Portugal debacle (the only reason I came to this page, since I know next to nothing about this band). I guess he's a former member. I'll leave it to those of you who know about him to add info on him as appropriate.
 * He's a former drummer. He seems to have been removed from most of the article. I think he was kicked out of the band and now they don't want anything to do with him. Matt &quot;AgentA&quot; 23:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Canada
Seeing as this is a canadian band, does anyone have any numbers on how well their songs have done on the canadian charts?

Is there really a difference between nu-grunge and post-grunge?

Nu-grunge carries a more negative connotation. 141.158.151.206 13:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Photograph
Probably a stupid question, but, I can't tell if they mean the song photograph or an actual photograph?

They mean the song, Photograph.

Infobox
In Nickelback's infobox, it says "country" is Alberta, Canada. Does anyone know how to change this to say "origen" or something that could include the province name?

this band's full of copycats
Hi all today i decided to rant on about this band here instead of vandelizing the article. First of all i apologize for doing so for many times but i am fed up of this band. Bands like Nickelback is holding back unknown bands who are probably more talented then nickelback. What we do need is another band to start a brand new era of rock just like Nirvana have done in the early 90's.


 * bands like Nickelback are making songs and throwing them on a cd. people purchasing the cd and radio requests is what makes them popular.  if you're tired of hearing the band then tell everyone to stop purchasing their cds.  somehow i doubt it will work, buckwheat.


 * That's as maybe, but the talk page isn't really a place to put these sort of views either - try PunkTastic or the like! HawkerTyphoon 01:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

You can't be serious in saying Nirvana started a new type of music. Lol at you.

Big Point of View problem
(The name derived from the nickel in change Mike Kroeger frequently had to give customers back in his job at a Starbucks coffee shop in which he would, almost trademarkingly say, Here's your Nickel Back.)

Ok this section really should be taken care of especially the "almost trademarkingly" part. That really doesn't seem encyclopedic. I will change that myself actually and I hope no one minds. Bill102 00:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

No more myspace site?
I noticed the myspace link doesn't work. Is that a glitch or did they indeed sever ties with myspace? If so, link should probably be removed. Siyavash 14:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't even think they had a myspace. Bill102 14:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * They still have a MySpace site, it just used to be at a different location. bob rulz 00:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Rocked on stage
This explain it all http://www.ejbdotcom.net/content/14780/Nickleback_rocked_on_stage.html MetalBladeX4 00:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC) Myspace Rocks

The State's release date?
The State was released in Canada over a year before the listed date. Check out http://members.shaw.ca/cripplednitemare/nickelback/thestate.htm to see the original covers.

Article Needs Cleanup
I fixed the infobox to be as true as I am aware of it to be; however, this page needs massive cleanup. I'm going to tag it with a cleanup and weasel words tag, and maybe a NPOV warning tag. Sephylight 10:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Nickelback invite controversy
The Nickelback site changes very fast. When I first read it in June, it seemed fair and unbiased. There was also a standard photo of the band to show the readers who was being presented. Background, Hits and also the criticism of self plagiarism and direct links to back the comments up.

Which is where the problem lies... (For all the comments that follow I can provide links-please forgive me for not doing that at this time).. Critics have slammed Nickelback for - to those who have read many reviews - what appears to amount to the crime of being "too late post grunge seen it before and better."

Nickelback have a worldwide following and a proven track record of albums sold. Excluding "Someday" and "How you remind me" There are hits like "Animals","Figured you out" Too Bad", "Never again", "Saving Me" Which no-one has accused of sounding similar to other Nickelback songs or those of any band.

Other criticism has been reserved for these songs..Animals- "Over produced",Figured you out- "Cheap and dirty lyrics", Too Bad- "An attempt to link into the success of How you remind me", Never again - "An old tired issue", Saving Me - "Over produced and radio music"

So how is the site to be improved if the critics both professional and unprofessional and the fans who are very serious in their support- As a non radical member of the Nickelback forum - I can testify to this - are allowed to edit this page with impunity?

I would suggest breaking the page down into clear sections and moderating the input very closely

Photo, Introduction, Background, History, Hits, Highlights, Lowlights, Criticism, Albums and sales, News, Links.

--Nighthawkx15 19:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)Nighthawkx15

Logo down
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d7/Logoniclback.jpg/200px-Logoniclback.jpg

A good first step would be to take this off--172.177.249.99 19:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)Nighthawkx15

Add site to external links
2 Yamla

Sorry for my bad english. And sorry if i did something wrong. I do consider, that it is good idea to give to users the link to a site in Russian (furthermore, there is no Russian page of group) with the interesting information and unique author's texts. Do you not agree? :-)


 * No, this is inappropriate. The links on the English Wikipedia article should be to sites in English.  You are free to create an article in Russian about Nickelback on the Russian Wikipedia and you could link the site there.  Of course, you'll want to check that it is appropriate to link there; fansites, message forums, and the like are not appropriate on the English Wikipedia.  --Yamla 21:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. And how about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Bloom (with link "Orlando Bloom Spanish"), for example? --CageWS 21:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No, that is not appropriate either. --Yamla 21:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And what do you think about "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)"?
 * Linking to non-English pages may still be useful for readers in some cases: … when linking to pages with maps, diagrams, photos, tables; explain the key terms with the link, so that people who do not know the language can still interpret them …
 * There are many photos in the section "Фотоальбом" (photograph album / gallery)...
 * P.S. Is there everything is OK?


 * I don't see any point to it. There are plenty of English websites about Nickleback that would have sufficient material (the offical site included) that make linking to the Russian site erroneous. Sephylight 05:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Discography
Why don't we move the "Discography" section to Nickelback discography? No-Bullet 03:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Funny error
"Nickelback's latest release, All the Right Reasons has already sold more than 3 albums in the United States and over 5 albums worldwide." Wow, quite the achievement, hmm?

San Francisco, California
how is the core of the band from San Francisco, California?

4XPlatinum
I get the Billboard magazine every week. There are the different charts in it. On the album chart there are marks of a certification for each record from the RIAA. Nickelback´s latest is marked four times Platinum.


 * I get Billboard magazine as well, and it is indeed listed 4x platnium. There doesn't need to be a citation, according to billboard certification if an album's sold over 4 million it's 4x platnium, and the album has been over the 4 million mark for a couple weeks now, so I'm changing it to say 4x platnium.

COME ON!
LETS THINK CLEARLY HERE, is NICKELBACK Really worthy of WIKIPEDIA/IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR WIKIPEDIA!


 * Um, yeah? Dragonfly888 12:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Near as I can tell you're the only one not thinking clearly, Mr. Annonymous. --Ferdia O&#39;Brien 02:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)