Talk:Nicolae Ceaușescu/Archive 3

Use of "Dictator" in Wikipedia
Please see here for debate, thanks. Tazmaniacs 15:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Photo of the grave?
I took a photo of what I think is Ceauşescu's grave when I was there. I say "think" because I don't speak Romanian and may have been mis-directed. I would be happy to contribute it if someone can verify, and if it seems appropriate. The photo is here:  Rees11 (talk) 00:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I've heard of his burial, Ceauşescu's grave was decorated by symbols of the Communist regime in Romania. Here is a picture from Ceauşescu's entry on Find-a-Grave: --Joshmaul (talk) 08:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Rees, on the cross in your image it reads "You, unknown!" on the cross arms, and "You were, you are, and you'll remain the most [great hero?] of Romanians" (superlative has other rules in Romanian, I've tried to translate as much I can read) - first 3 lines written white on black. I guess you know what INRI means. adriatikus  |  talk  09:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It also seems the two graves to be the same one. Look at the neighboring grave in the top-left. adriatikus  |  talk  09:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like the graves are the same but the marker has been replaced since I was there. After more thought and checking some other bio articles it seems to me it would not be useful or interesting to add a photo of the grave to this article. Rees11 (talk) 19:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Religion
Hello,

Does Marxist-Leninist classify as a "Religion"? I am a communist myself, but it is not my faith(I am Anglican). Yeltsinfan (talk) 02:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope not religion, just specific economic/social system. Religion implies a philosophical belief system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlad Dracula (talk • contribs) 03:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Can his writings in English be found anywhere?
See title. --Mrdie (talk) 11:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Bush Administration?
I edited the "Help From America" section. Someone had put (in garbled english), that Romania had received help from Herbert Walker Bush's administration. During the 70's and 80's. Bush didn't take office till Jan of 89. Also not to start a flame war, but is Chomsky a reliable source for an NPOV article? Dahar81 (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Robert Mugabe
After having read this entry, and remembering how the news and documentaries reported on Ceauşescu's final days and weeks, I can't help but notice some similarities between his last days and what is currently happening (as of 6/25/08) in Zimbabwe. One has to wonder if something so horrific is going to turn enough high-ranking people (those who are on the fence in that country) against Mugabe, his henchmen and his military supporters, and prompt them to organize a full-scale revolt in which they would be willing to give their lives to get near them and remove them from office, knowing that a massacre by Mugabe's henchmen would only escalate efforts to remove him and his would-be successors from power.

In my opinion, The crisis in Zimbabwe can only end one way; and as I see it right now, that is the way of Nicolae Ceauşescu's demise. If there are tribunals to be conducted, they will not be 2 hours long. More likely, they would last at least an entire day, like Socrates' trial, with which a verdict by a number of people will be given, for which a simple majority, or perhaps even 2/3 majority, will suffice.

As I see it, it is either that, or the more immediate option, which is to put them out of their misery on sight. They may have to imprison or eliminate a vast majority of the ZANU-PF party members, if not all of them, to kickstart the beginning of a democracy there, which is not easy in Africa. It took years before Botswana (year unknown), Namibia (1990) and South Africa (1994) became democratic. If I remember my history correctly, the Congo was on its way to becoming democratic, with Patrice Lumumba in power. Unfortunatrely, several factions (including the U.S., unfortunately) conspired to undermine that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CookyMonzta (talk • contribs) 07:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Primaverii Palace
The Primaverii Palace was in fact not demolished, it was converted into a headquarters for the Nato Euro-Atlantic Council of Romania. The source for this bit of information is the Casa NATO homepage itself. Edited and cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marsek (talk • contribs) 16:22, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Date of birth
I've looked extensively for any information about this, in vain. Was his date of birth, 26 January 1918, according to the Julian calendar then applying in Romania, or has it been converted to the Gregorian equivalent? This is relevant because Romania did not adopt the Gregorian calendar until 1919, the year after Ceauşescu's birth. -- JackofOz (talk) 07:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Ceausescu,the most popular Romanian Leader of the last Century.
Many Romanians are nostalgic after that Era.About 70 percent of Romanian Schools and Hospitals were build under his rule.In the Romanian cities most people live in apartments build in that period.Today when you see a school or an hospital in Romania most probably was build by his regime.He remains the only Romanian Leader that has done something for the people and not only for himself or his close circle.In my city for example after 18 years of Democracy only one new school was build.During his 24 years regime more than 25 schools were build.During his regime,for the first time in history,the people had access to Universal health care and Education. —Preceding AlinsiCalin] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.97.221.50|78.97.221.50 (talk) 18:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

About Romanian Communist Party
The Romanian Communist Party abolished when Nicolae Ceauşescu stepped down from his position as General Secretary of Romanian Communist Party. But why in the article we still find Ion Iliescu as its successor?  Calvin Ho Jiang Lim  Talk 06:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, I've heard that the PCR still exists. And who cares about that little twat Iliescu, he went to the social-democrats! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.183.213 (talk) 23:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Atheism?
Is there any proof that Ceusescu was an atheist ? Is there any written piece of evidence where he says that he is an atheist ? We know for sure that Gheorghiu Dej was a devout Christian Orthodox who asked for confession and the whole Orthodox ritual when he was dying. Was Ceausescu as "atheist" as Dej ? Or communist secularism and atheism is one thing? Azdfg (talk) 15:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

English transliteration of family name.
What is the accepted English transliteration of the 'family' name of Nicolae Ceauşescu?

My Macquarie dictionary gives it as Ceaucescu yet in this discussion group it's rendered as Ceausescu. Van Dieman (talk) 06:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

"Senile"?
In a sentence under "overthrow", the following sentence appeared:

"Ceauşescu's senile reaction to the events had already become part of the country's collective memory"

I assume that the person who wrote this does not understand the meaning of the word "senile" in English. It does not simply mean "old" or "befuddled" or "uncomprehending". It was originally a medical term used for conditions that used to be thought to be only associated with old age (such as "senile dementia" - the old and factually incorrect name for Alzheimer's Disease), but was more commonly used as a very, very rude slur against anyone older - basically saying they're dumb and useless. It's simply not a word anyone should use these days if they're trying to sustain a neutral point of view unless they're using it in a discussion about medical matters - and even in that case it can only be used in certain specific situations. This can't be one of them - in English, a reaction can't even be called "senile". Anyway, I removed the word. --NellieBly (talk) 21:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Underground tunnels
There was a sentence in the Overthrow section of the article on how his escape may have been facilitated by underground tunnels " [escaping by helicopter] may have been a poorly advised decision, as [Ceausescu and his wife] would have had access to safer refuge via underground tunnels (See Dumitru Burlan)." However, the article on Dumitru Burlan offers nothing in the way of information on underground tunnels. I have therefore taken the liberty to remove that statement, until we can find a semi-reliable source on these tunnels. I hope I've not detracted from the content. Tomatoman (talk) 08:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Again the Romanian pronunciation
In fact the most proper Romanian pronunciation is not [Nikola.e] with hiatus, but [Nikolaje]. After the passage from Kirilic alphabet to the appropriate Latin  one, in Romanian the name Nicholas is written in two ortographic forms: Nicolaie or Nicolae - the pronunciation being in fact the same: [Nikolaje]  or Ni-co-la-yeh (one hears the final eh, not Nicolay as in Russian) like in the word baie = [ˈbaje]  (=bath). The same rule is valid for its short form Nae =  [Naje] and not [Na.e]. The pronunciation with hiatus used in the article is much less common, more emphatic and artificial. The former pronunciation nik-oh-LA-ye cha-ow-SHESS-koo, used in the article was the right one, and the change of it 4 years ago was a mistake. Cpt.schoener (talk) 21:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a Romanian pronunciation dictionary with the proper transcription? Is it [nikoˈlaje tʃauˈʃescu]? Please, do not use uppercase letters in IPA trascriptions.--Carnby (talk) 00:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Whitewashing

 * Some people, believing that Ceauşescu was not aware of what was going on in the country, attempted to hand him petitions and complaint letters during his many visits around the country. However, each time he got a letter, he would immediately pass it on to members of his security. Whether or not Ceauşescu ever read any of them will probably remain unknown.

Enough. Viriditas (talk) 06:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Meaning of the name?
What is the etymology of Ceauşescu? Did this name come from Turkish çavuş ? In Turkish, çavuş means "sergeant". In Turkey, we call Ceauşescu as "Çavuşesku". Böri (talk) 12:31, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It's probable, because Romanian has long assimilated çavuş as ceauş, with much the same meaning. Following the usual etymology and what -escu generally stands for, his name would in theory mean "son of the çavuş" (ceauş + -escu). Disclaimer: this is original research to say the least, and the info would probably be too obscure to be backed by sources, but it works as an informal answer to an interesting question. Dahn (talk) 12:41, 26 December 2009 (UTC)