Talk:Nicolas Sarkozy/Archive 2

Carla Bruni
In December 2007, newspaper reports indicated that he is presently involved with Carla Bruni, an Italian heiress who is a songwriter, singer and former supermodel
 * I would remove that sentence, it's only gossip because neither Sarkozy nor Bruni have confirmed that they are in a relationship and it's not like there's a picture of them huging and kissing, they only went to disneyland!. Per WP:LIVING we shouldn't encourage this kind of stuff. Opinions?-Yamanbaiia (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree-: Furthermore, who Sarkozy is shagging is not automatically encyclopedic, however carefully staged the thing is. Rama (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, L'Express editor in chief has indicated Monday that Carla Bruni, who is a friend, has confirmed the fact to him. This is not gossip, having been validated by one of the involved parties reference here. Hektor (talk) 07:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been validated. In that article the editor of L'Express says that Carla Bruni confirmed to him (because they are "friends") that she has had with Sarkozy a liaison, but that's like a she said to a friend of a friend thing, plus liaison doesn't really mean that they are more than friends. The editor could be saying that just to sell more papers, and Bruni could be saying it to bump up her career. The fact is that the Elysée says "Pas de commentaire", so until there's a more tangible confirmation of this, we should keep it out. -Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 14:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And it's pure coincidence, of course, that the mother of Carla Bruni was part of the French delegation with the president to the Vatican yesterday ? Hektor (talk) 08:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, not a coincidence. He probably invited her. -Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 16:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What was wrong with the one line report referencing The Daily Telegraph and linking to the online article. It is most definitely a reliable source as far as I'm concerned, there are multiple sources for this, I just chose the best one.--Alf melmac 14:51, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I live in France and i have not heard of this. But if Bruni's mother did in fact insinuated that they might get married then it should be in the article. Show me some refs and i'll rewrite it for ya if you want.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 14:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * In this diff I amended the one-liner to read "Sarkozy is reported to have asked the Italian model turned pop singer Carla Bruni to marry him" - giving this url for the article, which included the paragraph "The newspaper claimed that sources other than Miss Bruni Tedeschi, a former concert pianist, confirmed that Mr Sarkozy, 52, who only met Miss Bruni last month, had popped the question and told her to give him an answer by New Year's Day" hence why I couched the terminology to "..is reported" which is factually correct, readers should decide themselves on the validity of the information, as with all sources, but being written up in The Telegraph (albeit with a slightly affected headline) is sufficent for that line to stand. I have no view whatsoever on the merits of the preceding paragraph that was removed.--Alf melmac 15:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A specific search using Google News with ""Carla Bruni"+"Nicolas Sarkozy" ask marry" elicits eight newspapers running stories (excluding duplicates).--Alf melmac 15:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A google search ( "Carla Bruni"+"Nicolas Sarkozy" mariage ) in French results only in blogs and gossip (by the way this image is hilarious). Until this is confirmed by either parties, or by a very reliable source like Le Monde, CNN, BBC, etc; it's just gossip. He has been linked with a lot of other women since he's been single (Rachida Dati, Laurence Ferrari) and none of it was true. This was discussed thoroughly in the WikiFrench Talk page for Sarkosy's article, and most of the users agreed that listing every name that pops up every couple of weeks was ridiculous, and that only facts were to be listed. Facts here are: Sarkozy and Bruni went to disneyland, lots of pictures of them were taken, and that's it, the rest is just speculation and claims of "someone who's a friend of a friend of Bruni". Bruni got a bit more of international press than the others only because lots of pictures were taken, and it was probably a slow news week or something. Like someone said in the French discussion, Britannica would not list this kind of thing.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 22:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Now in Luxor

 * Sarkozy is now in XMas vacation in Luxor with Carla Bruni Image : Morticia and Gomez. They entered the Old Winter Palace hotel holding hands in front of tens of journalists. Still not worth mentioning ? Hektor (talk) 15:31, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Spelling issue
The spelling Sarköczy at the beginning of the main page is almost certainly wrong. It is just not consistent with Hungarian spelling. The proper spelling is almost certainly Sárközy (which spelling actually occurs later in the article, at the beginning of the Personal life/Family background section). My main objection is to the presence of c, not to the dropping of the accent mark from á (which might have happened when gallicizing the name -- see in the article in the Personal life/Family background section). I did not make any corrections, since I have no sources to rely on, it is only my fluency in Hungarian that makes me make these comments. Someone else with access to sources is welcome to make the change. Of course, I may be wrong here in that on the French birth certificate the Hungarian spelling might have been mangled. User: Mateat ( talk) Fri Dec 28 22:48 2007 (UTC)
 * This was changed by 85.178.89.238 ; I've reverted it. Korg (talk) 18:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Reigning Monarch?
I am by no means an expert on French domestic politics, but something tells me that Sarkozy should not be listed under category Reigning Monarchs. If somebody with admin status could rectify this I would be grateful. Thanks. 166.82.48.137 (talk) 05:32, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed, a republic does not have a monarch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.186.227 (talk) 05:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * He is co-prince of Andorra. Not king of the French, and this is how he is a reigning monarch. This mention is not some clever slight on the man, but is because of a historical and legal oddity, inherited from the Counts of Foix and later on the kings of France.CyrilleDunant (talk) 10:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Alumni of Institut d'Études Politiques de Paris??
Is Sarkozy an alumni of the Paris Institute of Political Studies? Apparently, he's not in the List of Sciences Po People article yet he is in the Category:Alumni of Sciences Po category.--Sli723 (talk) 05:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Military service
In his youth, there was a draft in France. How come Sarkozy did not serve in the French Military?
 * He did. Rama (talk) 11:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Criticism on being drunk?
I was surprised to not see this in the article, while I do not know for sure if he was actually drunk at this press conference(after a meeting with Vladmir Putin) it is certainly contestable. Here's a youtube link to the press conference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd44XTlUQjQ

He is the anti-Christ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.147.237.7 (talk) 10:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Alattyán
It says on the article on Alattyán that he is regarded by older inhabitants of the village as their "lord". Is this correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.107.204.84 (talk) 22:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC) No, I don't think so, this is some shit that the journailists have made up, nobody ever had recollections about those old "lords" in Hungary anymore. I'm, as a hungarian never heard about that village until this point :)

Photo
The description of his photo is wrong! Neenoeeen 72.137.99.110 (talk) 15:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I take it the pronunciation is meant to be the French one rather than an English one, as it uses French phonemes. I am therefore removing the stress mark, as French does not have this form of stress (see [|Stress (linguistics)]. &mdash; Paul G (talk) 14:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

The pronunciation audio file has currently been replaced by the sound of a fart. I cannot find when this was added and am therefore simply informing those who can better remedy this. 71.225.55.135 (talk) 00:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed; thanks for spotting that! Korg (talk) 11:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Editsemiprotected
The following (from the last paragraph of the Presidency section) is a mess. It has the French "et" where the English "and" is needed; it has poorly translated text, and numerous small grammatical errors:

On July 23, 2008, parliament votes the “loi de modernisation de l'économie” which liberate concurrence on prices on retailing et reduce limitations of creation of retail surfaces. The Government has also made great changes on working-time reglementations.

change to:

On July 23, 2008, Parliament voted the “loi de modernisation de l'économie” (Modernization of the Economy Law) which loosened restrictions on retail prices and reduced limitations on the creation of businesses. The Government has also made changes to long-standing French work-hour regulations, allowing employers to negotiate overtime with employees and making all hours worked past the traditional French 35-hour week tax-free.

All content changes came from the original source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neestle (talk • contribs)
 * Thank you. MaCRoEco (talk) 18:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Note 82
Hi there,

Just to let you know that Note 82 seems wrong : it lead to an error page on what is anyway the wrong site (topchretiens instead of Lefigaro.fr). Hope it will be useful 20080910 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.239.18.195 (talk) 10:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I have replaced it with a link to the book references (I don't get why it was linking to topchretiens in the first place either). Merci! --  lucasbfr  talk 13:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Protection ?
I believe this article should be semi-protected.

I mean, if I could get away with it, I would gladly vandalize this page... And I don't think I'm the only one.

User:Xtboris say something ! 19:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Are you serious? This article has only had 4 edits in the last 5 days. Joshdboz (talk) 22:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Parents
The article states that his father married three times after the parents' divorce, but did the mother ever remarry? Did the father remain in contact with Nicolas and siblings? It states he rarely saw his father, but did the contact cease completely? Are both parents alive? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 16:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Marriage date?
This article cites his current marriage as 2007-, however his spouse's article indicates that they married February, 2008. Which is correct? 219.90.135.206 (talk) 01:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Section on health?
Anyone fancy doing a section on Sarkozy's health / fitness given that he seems to be a fitness fan, yet has been in hospital a couple of times (one of which is today?)! Arknowledgeman (talk) 18:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Sarkozy - Jewish or not?
I have read this discussion page over and over and again, and I'm still not clear whether Nicolas Sarkozy is or is not Jewish. If his mother is/was Jewish, then he is. (And I've seen it reported that she came from a Jewish family.) If she is/was not Jewish, then he is not. Simple as that! Nothing to do with nationality, ethnicity, politics or anything else.Colin marks (talk) 10:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * He looks Jewish and has some ancestors who were genetically Jewish or Middle-Eastern. It is best to describe him as mixed-race. 86.136.61.102 (talk) 00:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The President's maternal grandmother was a Catholic lady from Lyon, so he does not fit the traditional orthodox Jewish concept of a born Jew. This lady, named Adèle Bouvier, married a Greek-born doctor of Sephardic descent. He converted to Catholicism in order to marry her. Both the President's mother and the President himself were brought up as Roman Catholics.208.87.248.162 (talk) 23:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No he is not. He has some ancestry, thats it. Now can we please get these neanderthals to stop placing him in the 'French Jews" category? (75.118.14.255 (talk) 04:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)).

According to Wikipedia, Lenny Kravitz, whose father is jewish, is a black jew and a jewish american musician, although his faith is christian. And Craig David, who has a half-jewish mother, just like M. Sarkozy, is a jewish singer, an english jew, and a black jew. Then, why Nicolas Sarkozy, whose mother is jewish by her father, would not be a french jew?

A lack of consistency on the part of wikipedia if anything. There are numerous other examples but the fact of the matter is that ancestry doesn't equal being a Jew, expecially in the case of Sarkozy as his background is only one grandparent (out of 4) and he does not abide by Jewish religious (does not practice Judaism) or is ethnically (Maternal descent). Not even the Nazis would of saw him as a 'Jew'. If you'd like to see him placed in a category like "non Jewish French people of partial Jewish descent" or something of the sort then have at it but "French jews" is wrong.(75.118.14.255 (talk) 01:11, 9 August 2009 (UTC)).

Someone please help :(
We have some real awesome people here screwing around with Sarko's page. Like him or not, but surely we should at least have it vandal-free? Now, they've played up with the template at the top and I don't know where to find the right original, so can someone please help? I know that this is supposed to be neutral POV, but I'm a fan of some of Sarko's stuff, and it's upsetting to see clowns playing around like this. Comics (talk) 12:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just reverted a number of edits to get back to a normal template. Feel free to be bold when you see a page getting really out of whack.  Any useful edits can always be redone if they are accidentally erased in the process. (Here that doesn't appear to be the case!) Joshdboz (talk) 13:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Greek descent?
Are there any sources to support the claim that Sarkozy is of Greek descent? His mother origins seems to have been Sephardic-Jewish and born in the Ottoman empire. The fact that the Ottoman city in which a Jewish family lived became a Greek city many years after the family had already moved to France does not give anyone a Greek ancestry. If the village my grandparents left would become Greek tomorrow, it would not make me any more Greek. If there really is a Greek ancestor, it is of course a different matter but if not the category about Greek descent should go.Jeppiz (talk) 20:36, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Category removed as no source for Greek descent has been mentioned. If one is presenteed, we can always put the category back.Jeppiz (talk) 18:27, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Irrelevant image and commentary


This image and its commentary should be removed.

People may have talked about his "Kärcher remark" during a few weeks in 2007, during the presidential campaign, but it's not the case anymore. That's anecdotical, and certainly not something the french medias, or generally the French, have talked about since this campaign (as the commentary says).

And secondly, Sarkozy posters have been posted on this particular carwash, but not on others, it was not a general action. This photo just describes an isolated "humoristic" attempt... It should be on a blog or on a humoristic site, not in an encyclopedic article. ---19:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.226.117.72 (talk)


 * I agree on the fact that this image shoulb be erased from the article, but the text about the "Kärcher" quote from Sarkozy should be kept. It is still used by French people and humorists as a reference to Sarkozy. As such, the polemic about it has not been forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.178.231.133 (talk) 16:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Latest
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100310/twl-sarkozy-and-his-wife-cheating-on-eac-3fd0ae9.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.184.227 (talk) 20:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Love handle
"Love handle" is not an encyclopedic term in this context. Nurg (talk) 10:41, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Elephant in the room?
I'm not sure how we can justify not having at least a passing reference to Mr Sarkozy's allusions to Zionism in the speeches of his early political career. I'm not suggesting that we devote a whole section to it (although perhaps this should also be a consideration?), but it strikes me as a bit odd that it is entirely glossed over. The aim of Wikipedia articles should not be to shield and protect those that they concern from garnering criticism or creating controversy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.45.4 (talk) 22:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Andorra mentioned twice in the first sentence
This is incredibly trivial, like introducing Barack Obama as the 44th U.S. President and head of state of American Samoa. Please move it down to somewhere proportionate to its (extremely small) importance. 174.91.174.140 (talk) 22:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Libéral or liberal?
Is it necessary to describe him as libéral (rather than liberal) in the 'UMP leader' section of the article? The French definition of 'liberal' is the correct one and that which is used throughout the whole world with the exception of the USA. Just because the USA stupidly think that liberal means left-wing or socialist doesn't make it true. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopaedia of knowledge and not a collection of articles dumbed-down for the average American to understand.--217.203.146.115 (talk) 21:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's absolutely correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.169.25 (talk) 03:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Turkish surname
Sar(ı)köz is a Turkish surname, does he has any Turkish or Turkic connection in his family?--94.54.228.174 (talk) 07:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

With his skin color he could easily pass for a Turk or a North African. 86.136.103.230 (talk) 16:04, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Im Turkish and im whiter then a polar bear. btw, Sarkozy is Hungarian in origin. That explain his surname to me. --94.54.247.147 (talk) 04:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Le Monde went to central Europe, where everyone said that Sarkozy is a typical Gypsy name. Rudolf Sarkozy, a Socialist, is the spokesman for the Viennese Gypsy community; Ernest Sarkozy is the bandleader of The Gypsy Devils.24.108.37.224 (talk) 19:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Please provide the sources for this BS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.169.25 (talk) 03:28, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Do I as a central European count? In this region (and Burgenland in Austria, can't say for sure about Hungary) Šarkezi/Sarközi/Sarközy is generally a Roma/Sinti surname. And this does not seem to be a "new trend". The 1899 novel Egri csillagok includes as one of the main characters "The Gypsy Sárközy" (not my name, this is the way the person is called in the novel). Prof. Rudolf Sarközi and Prof. Rudolf Sarközi is the president of the Austrian Roma Culture club (also read Sarközy vs. Sarközi to confirm his identity). Now while they share a last name this, in my opinion, does not confirm that French president Nicolas Sarközy is of Roma descent. But at least the surname these days seems to be mostly related to Roma/Sinti. 89.212.22.24 (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Politics of Sarkozy
Does anyone find it strange that this page has all kinds of tabloid gossip material, but no section or link to the Politics of Sarkozy? If you look up a page by an American politician such as Ron Paul it has a page dedicated to his political beliefs. I'm Canadian and unfamiliar with French politics, but are French politicians consistent enough that you could pick out his politics? These snapshots kind of cut through the BS and let people see what a politician is truly all about. I came to this page to see where Sarkozy stands on political issues and couldn't find it. JettaMann (talk) 15:09, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Former Mossad agent?
Are the rumours that Sarkozy used to work for the Israelli intelligence agency true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.240.117.116 (talk) 22:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No. This was an utterly false rumor sent to French police during the campaign, and the event was later reported by Le Figaro. Joshdboz (talk) 22:19, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * he wasn't an agent, but he was an officer of honour to the Mossad. Vexorg (talk) 19:28, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Dumping ground for Communist Party opinions
The "controversies" section is simply a dumping ground for the opinions of the French Communist Party. Can you imagine if the article on a US president for instance, was simply a laundry list of Communist Party USA quotes and various far-left newspapers crying "racist" every now and again? Does this section and the material contained within it have any encyclopedic value at all? - 90.219.89.252 (talk) 11:29, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Caricature
I have removed it from the article, I'm not sure it is suited here. Note that this is in relation to the "Casse-toi alors, pauvre con!" section. What do you think? -- lucasbfr  talk 16:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it should stay, it's very canard enchaîné. Merci, Erxnmedia (talk) 16:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Il you remove it, you've to do so for the picture about Karsher. That's the same idea, a reaction with humour and impertinence. So french. --86.197.55.12 (talk) 17:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

On the subject of "Casse-toi pauvre con" my understanding of the word 'con' is that it is far more offensive than dumb-ass, and about as offensive as the word 'cunt' in english. I would correct it but don't know enough about wikipedia etiquette, what do people think? (Jbonner01 (talk) 19:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC))


 * Having spent a fair amount of time in France in the past (about a year and a half), I chose dumb-ass because of my understanding of the (constant) use of "con" in conversation (among highly educated computer scientists), along the lines of
 * "Oh, qu'il est con"
 * "Comme il est con ce type"
 * "Fais pas le con"
 * and so forth which usually mean "Boy is he dumb", "Do you see how dumb this guy is" and "Don't be stupid". You don't really get into "cunt" territory until you add a gender specific ending along the lines of
 * "Connard!" (male asshole)
 * "Connasse!" (female asshole)
 * So if Sarkozy said "pauvr'connard!" I would have translated that as "stupid asshole" because the "-ard" ending adds some emphasis. "Con" alone is used with practically every other word in a typical spoken French sentence, and due to its frequency, has a softer tone.

I lived in France too and didn't hear it that often. And when i did it was usually around some other pretty nasty words. Then again, it's cognate in Spanish also means cunt and really isn't that bad when you say it (almost all hispanophones use it from Chile to Mexico to the Baleric Islands). Arthurian Legend (talk) 22:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Erxnmedia (talk) 20:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I bow to your superior knowledge, thanks for helping me learn more about swearing in French! (I mean this in the nicest possible way). (Jbonner01 (talk) 20:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC))

I'm francophone myself, and con isn't nearly as bad as saying cunt, in my experience I'd compare it to "stupid" as even children use it to no consequence, and I've yet to find someone who thinks "con" is worse than a word such as "maudit" which translates directly to "damn".


 * Hello, I'm french and while "con" can, depending on the context, be weak or even friendly ("mon con" having a meaning close to "my friend"), "pauvre con" really mean something as strong as "you cunt". generally "pauvre (whatever)" is very strong and never ironic. "con" litteraly mean "cunt" (slang for female genital) btw. I'd say the closest translation in this context would be "you sorry cunt". Oh, and just so you know that I'm only saying that for the sake of a correct translation, I did vote for N. Sarkozy and I still think he is a good president. I prefer not to make the modification on the main article myself though, as I don't know if I have the proper legitimacy to do that. 88.165.19.210 (talk) 22:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm French too. The original literal meaning of "con" (="cunt") has been forgotten. Here "con" should be translated as "damn fool" ; "bloody idiot" ; or "schmuck", and not as "cunt". Thanks. MaCRoEco (talk) 22:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * FWIW, my French-English dictionary translates it as "bloody fool." ("Damn fool" would be the closest in AmerEnglish, I think, since Americans don't use the word "bloody" in this sense, at least not in my experience.)


 * Jbonner01: May I recommend the book Merde: The Real French You Were Never Taught in School?  When I was a teenager, my sister gave it to me as a birthday present.  Excellent resource for anyone interested in the finer points of French swearing. :) (It also has a fair amount of more general argot, but I have no doubt that most, if not all, who read this book turn to the part about swearing first.) 174.111.242.35 (talk) 16:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Resources regarding Thierry Gaubert, Nicolas Bazire, and Édouard Balladur ...
99.56.122.124 (talk) 17:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nicolas Sarkozy's close friends detained over Karachi-gate affair; Two of Nicolas Sarkozy's close friends were detained for questioning on Wednesday over the "Karachi affair", as the political corruption case drew closer to the French president Nicolas Bazire, left, and Thierry Gaubert have been detained for questioning ... by Henry Samuel in Paris for The Daily Telegraph 11:53PM BST 21 Sep 2011
 * Sarkozy's best man charged in 'Karachigate' Update: 22/09/2011 by AFP via France24.
 * This is related, a book by Fabrice Arfi, Le Contrat. Karachi, l'affaire que Sarkozy voudrait oublier, with Fabrice Lhomme, Stock, 2010. 99.109.125.48 (talk) 00:24, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Nicolas Sarkozy became the father of Dalia
Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: First Lady of France Carla Bruni gave birth on 19 October 2011 at 20 hours daughther Dalia her husband President Nicolas Sarkozy. Congratulations. 78.2.123.254 (talk) 05:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The child's name is Giulia, I believe.

Official portrait
Surely that would be in the public domain, and ought to be used in the infobox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simfan34 (talk • contribs) 22:52, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

African speech
Did he give the mentioned speech in French or English? I think that's worth mentioning as I wasn't able to put the following note into context: (note that the French word "paysans" can be translated as either "peasants" or as "rural people") . Is the article suggesting Sarkozy translated the word improperly and so used it improperly. Or is the article saying that Sarkozy said the French word paysans and he might have got translated improperly. -- JanCK (talk) 22:02, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm unsure of what language he gave the speech, but being francophone myself, paysans CAN be translated to "peasants" or "rural people" but in general it is used in the sense of "residents" or "citizens". Example: les paysans de la France would usually mean "the citizens of France".


 * No bloody way ! In modern French, it definitely means "the peasants of France". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.224.138.28 (talk) 16:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Someone mentioned "EADS/clearstream/LeGard vs. the "Dinar Afrique"" (gold backed Indigenous African monetary instrument) on the French wiki discussion. Surely there should be some mention of it here in the African speech discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.122.39.254 (talk) 12:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Education
'He enrolled at the Université Paris X Nanterre, where he read law and graduated with a DEA degree in Business law.' - Actually he first graduated with a maîtrise in Private law, then got a DEA degree in Political science. You can check his official resume at the Elysee's web site, elysee.fr 81.65.1.92 (talk) 21:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)jp
 * You are right indeed, thanks for the correction! -- lucasbfr  talk 16:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, he was an attentive student in extracurricular pyrotechnics, which served him well in the arson at his law offices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.122.39.254 (talk) 12:26, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Condolezza Rice? It's Michelle Obama!
In the photo of this section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy#Second_term_as_Minister_of_the_Interior) Sarkozi is talking to Michelle Obama, not Condolezza Rice. What is wrong, the picture or the description? Please someone fix it, thanks!

There is nothing to fix. It is Condolezza Rice that he is talking to not Michelle Obama. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 (talk) 16:11, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Is how President Sarkozy dresses and what people think of it important?
I just noticed that the article mentions that "Sarkozy was named the 68th best-dressed person in the world by Vanity Fair, alongside David Beckham and Brad Pitt. However, Sarkozy has also been named as the third worst-dressed person in the world by GQ, a listing that has been disputed." although it may have some importance that i do not know of. I question the relevance of the topic to his public image. 66.59.49.88 (talk) 12:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * To me that's more relevant than starting out his "early life" section by mentioning he refused to pay for the upkeep of his wife's family. Since when is it expected to audit a person's life to see which relatives he is financially providing for - regardless of how rich he is?  Why did the wife's family expect support?  It's certainly not customary among the French I know.  Indeed, it's not that common worldwide for a person to be expected to support his wife's family.  Does Bill Gates do so?  Why is that the lead sentence in the Sarkosy early life section?  It seems this article is barely glued together as a biography and is actually a mishmash of tidbits and gossip - like best-dressed and worst-dressed.LéVeillé 00:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, after reading it three times, it's just poorly written. The father is refusing to give Sarkozy's mother's family money - and he isn't living with the mother (has abandoned them, apparently).  This becomes clearly after reading another paragraph.  Very poorly done and needs to be fixed.  DOn't have time this instant.LéVeillé 01:01, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Sarkozy is also an author
NOt sure where to put this information, but Sarkozy co-authored a book with a Catholic priest and a French philosopher, entitled The Republic, Religion and Hope, in which the authors reflect upon Catholicism and its role in political life. Sarkozy visited the pope to discuss the book and describes himself in the book (and in the media materials surrounding his visit to the Vatican) as a Roman Catholic. What section would that go under? LéVeillé 01:32, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Andrée Mallah
The text is wrong about Sarko's mother. She is not Greek and she is not a Jewish. That she had ancestors who were Greek or Jewish is not the question here. I cite the text from the article: “Adèle Bouvier, Nicolas Sarkozy's grandmother, was a Catholic like the majority of French people. Mallah, for whom religion had reportedly never been a central issue, converted to Catholicism upon marrying Adèle Bouvier”. It shows that 1) she is French as both of her parents were French 2) she was not a jewish as her parents were catholic and AFAIK she has never converted to judaism. She is French and she is Catholic. Telling that she is Greek-Jewish is a best a mistake. Additionally i find threats from Lam3l in the comment perfectly unacceptable. Would you continue such threats i would unfortunately be forced to take actions to make you become more respectful of other contributors. Med (talk) 15:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Obviously she is not Greek-Jewish so that citation should not be accepted. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 16:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I have added two more sources to prove the point. Whats been said is that she is not Jewish in present time, but that she has got Jewish roots,and this you can't deny.And no, no one has categorised him as a Jew(like you claim), but only mentioned his mothers partly Jewish descent, so that you can't come in comments to anyone.

What i also don't get is why do you try to deny her Jewish backround when in the body of the article this is being mentioned?
 * This kind of racist reasoning has been discussed at length here. Read the archives. Med (talk) 19:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Med, Benedict Mallah was an important figure in Sarkozy's life, possibly more so than his own father so it is hardly racist to point that out and the influence his grandfather may have had on him. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Try to explain me exactly whats racist here because i honestly don't understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.230.109.184 (talk) 20:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not racist in the least to say that Sarkozy's grandfather was Jewish before marrying a French Roman Catholic widow of WWI. It is also ridiculous to call Sarkozy's grandfather French since he was an immigrant.  Unless you are referring to his nationality which is completely separate from his ethnicity.  It appears that people want to deny that French or Jewish ethnicity exists.Pistolpierre (talk) 17:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * When I hear "It is also ridiculous to call Sarkozy's grandfather French", I think of nationality, not "ethnicity".
 * "Ethnicity" is a difficult to define notion, that many specialists regard to be inherently flawed. In any case, neither "French ethnicity" not "Jewish ethnicity" make any sense. Rama (talk) 18:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that Sarkozy's grandfather was a French national and that obviously religion meant nothing to him considering he renounced his Judaism. It is ridiculous to call Sarkozy's mother Jewish, however she is still ethnically Jewish.  "French and Jewish ethnicity" made perfect sense to Napoleon considering he never considered himself to be ethnically French and he appealed to every ethnic group in Europe to overthrow their Germanic kings.  Ethnicity made sense to the Hebrews according to the Jews who wrote the Pentateuch.  It also makes sense to the French who are proud to be Celtic descendants of the Gauls as opposed to the foreign Latins, Romans, and Franks.  Ethnicity is not difficult to define.  Irish people spoke Gaelic.  The Spanish, Portugese, Austrians, Swiss, French, Britons, Scots, Welsh all spoke Celtic languages before the Romans and Germanics conquered them.  When you say ethnicity doesn't exist you sound exactly like St. Paul who said "there is no longer Greek or Jew, male or female."Pistolpierre (talk) 18:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Where did you see he "renounced his judaism"? He isn't even a Jew by birth.. Please stop disrupting the encyclopedia for reasons I won't qualify. --Bombastus (talk) 19:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you joking? I am disrupting the encyclopedia?  This is the discussion page.  And this is not disruptive in the least.  It goes without saying that a Jew does not convert to Christianity without renouncing his Jewish heritage.  Sarkozy's grandfather was born of a Jewish mother was he not?  Therefore he is Jewish according to Orthodox and reformist rabbis.Pistolpierre (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, Jesus Christ didn't renounce his Jewish heritage. 86.136.61.102 (talk) 00:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What's Sarkozy's grandfather has to do here ??? One last time, this talk page is only for making the article better, not for chatting about the religion of the cousin of the sister of the housekeeper of Sarkozy or of my grand grand dad.. Sarkozy is not Jew, end of the story, thanks very much--Bombastus (talk) 20:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ???This discussion is about denying Sarkozy's mother Sephardic Jewish heritage. I never said Sarkozy is a Jew.  There is nobody on the planet that thinks he is a religious Jew.  His Grandfather was a Jewish convert to Roman Catholicism.  His mother was half-French by ethnicity and completely French by nationality.Pistolpierre (talk) 20:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no such thing as "French ethnicity". The notion that a brown-hair, brown-eyed, cassoulet-eating Southerner living in a flat-roofed house be the same "ethnicity" as a blond-haired, blue-eyed, sausage-eating Alsacian living in a pointed roofed house, speaking French with a different accent and occasionally resorting to a different language altogether, is perfectly ridiculous. Rama (talk) 21:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This entire conversation is pointless. His mother is not Jewish, but his mother's father was born into the Jewish faith. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell that to my Grandma who is from Corrèze and she will tell you that Alsatians are Germans as opposed to the Celts of Brittany, the Massif Central, and the Sud-ouest. Same goes for the Burgundians and the Normans.  The Gauls were the native French.  The Franks were a confederation of Germanic tribes with their own language and culture.  They didn't speak a Celtic language.  By your bizarre logic, there is no difference between a native and a foreign culture.  So apparently because the Romans conquered the Gauls, the Celtic ethnicity vanished from France?  Tell that to the people in Brittany or Corrèze.  They will laugh in your face.  Or better yet go to Dublin and tell the Irish that because the Germanic English, Danes, Normans conquered their country, their Celtic ethnicity no longer exists.  Are you denying that Sarkozy's grandfather hid in Corrèze because the French were rounding up Jews?  French ethnicity existed for his grandfather obviously.  Finally, I don't understand your point about eye color and hair color since both my parents have brown hair and brown eyes yet two of my sisters are blonde and one has blue eyes.  There are Arabs and Jews and Africans with blue-eyes.  Are you not aware that France was Celtic for five thousand years prior to the Roman and Frankish empires?  Pistolpierre (talk) 21:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You obviously mix up religion, nationality and "ethnicity". Alsatians are descendants of the Franks, like most modern Frenchmen, modulo various degrees of mixtures with other peoples over the ages. That's not the same as "being German". There are Germans who are "ethnically" Slavic (assuming that the term has any precise meaning).
 * The problem with your notion is that you are constructing a notion of "ethnicity" which is, in essence, in resurection of the notion of human race. And like racists, you find yourself lost in matters of defining the boundaries of your "races".
 * Your "There are Arabs and Jews and Africans with blue-eyes" is marvelous in this respect: you're mixing up an ethnical/cultural group, a religion, and a place (The reasons why these people have blue eyes is because they are descendants of Germanic people. People don't suddenly start having blue eyes out of the blue).
 * And like all racists, you also have difficulties in telling at which degree of interbreeding people start not being this and become that. Because the premises of this worldview are unsound. Rama (talk) 21:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So you are calling me a racist for saying that the original French were Gauls and they were Celtic? This is taught in French public schools and not even remotely controversial.  Where on earth did you get the idea that a person must be German to have blue eyes?  Why are you so confused?  Arabs, Jews, Celts, Berbers, Ethiopians, Moors, Zulus, Asians, Turks, Slavs, Danes, Swedes, Cubans, Mexicans, etc. can all have blue eyes.  Brown eyes are dominant.  The gene for blue eyes is recessive and absolutely "comes out of nowhere".  Alsace and Lorraine were part of Germany until 1664.  The Franks were Germans.  The "French" are Celts, Germans, Latins, North Africans, and Jews.  The native people of France were Celts.  Just like Naples and Sicily were originally Greek.  Perhaps you are a racist since you deny people their cultural heritage.  Your logic is severely flawed.  You would have me believe that the Native-Americans are not an ethnicity because the "Americans" were Anglo-Saxons and Dutch immigrants from England.  When I compare the Gauls to the native-Americans you say I am a racist.  WOW.  That is absurd.Pistolpierre (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I am not calling you a racist, I merely say that you are picturing a racist (and also arbitrary and inconsistant) notion of "ethnicity".
 * 1) The notion that "The ancestors of the French are Gauls" is a ridiculous statements that I would have believed to confined to books dating back to the 3rd Republic. "The native people of France were Celts" ? you mean what, they like grew out from the ground ? the Celts invaded France at some point, just like all other people. Considering them to be the "true native French" is completely arbitrary (we're talking of the mainland, I assume ? Because Martinique is also France, and it wasn't Celtic).
 * 2) I never said that one must be German to have blue eyes. It so happens that the North African people with blue eyes are descendants of Goths.
 * 3) "Celts, Germans, Latins, North Africans, and Jews" is a non-sensical list. It makes as much sense as "Saxons, Soviet, Greek, Polynesian and buddhist": a people, a nationality, a civilisation, a geographical area and a religion. Some of these elements can be stretched as to compare to the others, but the whole list makes no sense.
 * 4) "Native-Americans" are certainly not an ethnicity. There were many different. This illustrates how you're calling a bunch of things an "ethnicity" when they mix up in your mind, while they have no objective common nature: you could as well speak of an "euroasian ethnicity". Another indice of the arbitrary nature of your groups.
 * Also I'd like you to stop putting things in my mouth ("When I compare the Gauls to the native-Americans you say I am a racist" -- well no. I never said such a thing). And I'd love you to stop rambling about off-topic subjetcs which have no place here. Rama (talk) 23:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You are either lying or severely confused. Native-Americans are not an ethnicity?  That is like saying Germans are not an ethnicity.  It goes without saying that there were many different tribes.  The Norse, Danes, Swedes, Goths, Franks, Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Frisians, Burgundians, Suevii, etc. were all Germans.  For starters, this discussion has been about denying Sarkozy's mother and therefore Sarkozy himself Jewish heritage.  The La Tène civilization of the Massif Central and the Halstatt civilization of Austria and Switzerland were both Celtic.  This is a fact that anybody that knows anything about anthropology will tell you.  The Celts were the native people of France.  It is curious that you focus on North Africa as a region when the obvious point I was making was regarding eye color not being unique to Germany.  People with blue eyes in Algeria, Morocco, Libya, Tunis, Egypt are descendants of Goths!  LOL.  You can have blue eyes if both your parents are Chinese or Hindu or Ethiopian!  Also why do you say that the Greeks were a civilization and not an ethnicity?  Are you going to continue to deny that the Celts are a distinct ethnicity?  I find it extremely ironic that you accuse me of having a racist conception of ehtnicity yet you seem to believe that only descendants of the Goths in North Africa have blue eyes.  That sounds like Aryan philosophy.  For the last time, if French ethnicity doesn't exist, why did the people of Corrèze hide Sarkozy's grandfather from the "French"?  Why do the Irish not consider the English to be Irish?  Why do the Native-Americans not consider themselves to be English?  In a billion years the rules of logic will not allow you to deny Sarkozy Jewish heritage from his grandfather.Pistolpierre (talk) 00:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, you are confusing "ethnicity", nationality, and religion.
 * Agree - and no, Native Americans are not one ethnicity. A Nahua speaking Aztec does not regard himself as the same ethnicity as a Tarahumara (not by a longshot) nor a highland Maya (or vice versa).  Recently the pan-Indian movement has made some members of some groups, particularly the Lakota and Dakota, speak out for a political unity among Native American tribes, but there are linguistic, cultural and even genetic differences that distinguish among many different Native American groups - who did not all arrive in the New World at the same time or spring from the same common ancestors.  Ethnicity is a matter of self-definition, furthermore, you cannot impose it on someone else.  And the French do not believe in a French ethnicity and Sarkozy has never spoken of himself as possessing anything like ethnicity.  I don't even think it's a common word in French, not the way it is in English.  Nationalité, yes, fraternité, oui, but ethnicity...a borrowed concept used only by some French anthropologists in reference to non-French cultures.  Amazing this discussion went on as long as it did.LéVeillé 01:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Germans are of course not an ethnicity. It is a nationality. Your regrouping "Norse, Danes, Swedes, Goths, Franks, Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Frisians, Burgundians, Suevii, etc. were all Germans" is arbitrary and based of the boundaries of modern Germany, which for long did not exist as such.
 * And Sarkozy has no "Jewish heritage", since he is not of Jewish faith. His "ethical" links to the ancient Hebrew are to tenuous as to be negligible, if any. You could as well say that Sarkozy is of African heritage because his ancestors of 500'000 years ago came from there. Rama (talk) 00:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What was the Roman name for the territory of Northern, Central, and parts of Eastern Europe directly to the east of Gaul and to the north of Italy? GERMANIA.  Like Hispania and Brittania.  They said the "Germans" were all from the same father.  Also, Julius Caesar wrote a book about the Gauls so you have problem tracing French history to the Third Republic.  Your logic is getting more and more absurd.  If my grandmother is French, I have French heritage.  This discussion has become tiresome.  I'm now questioning your sanity.Pistolpierre (talk) 00:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Why should the Roman era be considered to be the reference point ? You are drawing a map of ancient peoples' migrations based on the boundaries of modern nation-States.
 * I would also be grateful if you could remain civil. Rama (talk) 00:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You are the only person on Earth that would call the Roman Empire a modern nation-state. Lets start at 1864 when the Prussians conquered Denmark and Austria and then dozens of German states.  What is your point?  From either point in time you are hell bent on saying that Bavarians, Rhinelanders, Hanoverians, Silesians, Saxons, etc. are not Germans.  Your logic is irrational.  I don't mean to be rude.  There is no way this discussion can continue if you cannot understand that the Celts, Germans, Britons, Gauls, and Spanish are native to Ireland, Germania, Brittania, Gaul, and Hispania.  Do you deny that the Anatolians were native to Turkey?  Or that the Mesopatamians were native to Mesopatamia?  If the answer is no, why would you deny that the Celts were native to the La Tène and Halstatt civilizations?  Do you deny that the Mayans were native to the Mayan civilization?  The Indians, Persians, Chinese, etc.?Pistolpierre (talk) 00:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Native Americans are no more an ethnicity than European. I disagree with Rama that there is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity but I really do not see what you are claiming is being hidden Pistol as the article fully documents Sarkozy's Jewish ancestry? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 01:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I contest the notion of "Jewish ethnicity" because it is strongly connotated in France (perhaps less so in other parts of the of world but this is a French topic); because is makes it ambiguous whether one is referring to the ancient Hebrew or to something else; and if referring to something posterior to the diaspora, it is effectively non-sensical.
 * Pistolpierre, taking a modern nation-State (like France), setting back an arbitrary date 2000 years ago, and stating that the dominant group occupying, at that time, the territory later to be occupied by the modern nation-State, is the "native French", is absurd. Rama (talk) 01:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Then why do the Palestinians claim to be the natives of Israel? Is Israel not a modern state?  The age of a modern nation has nothing to do with the cultural heritage of that nation.  To argue that the previous cultural heritage does not shape the modern is non-sensical.  If that were not the case then there would be no reason for the modern Israelis to deny the Palestinians a right of return to Israel.  They are clinging to an arbitrary date 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000 years ago are they not?  In the case of France, the Merovingians, Carolingians, Normans all appealed to the ethnicity of the Celts and Franks.  It was the Franks ability to respect the Celts of Occitan that ensured their rule in the Sud-Ouest and Languedoc.  Pope Urban II, a Norman, appealed to the Franks, not the Celts, to conquer Jerusalem.  The Normans were a tiny minority of the Crusaders.  The Pentateuch says the Canaanites and Jebusites were the native people of Israel and Jerusalem.  Lastly, you say that modern France denies the history of the Gauls?  Not according to Bonaparte who used it to appeal to the pride of the village idiots that filled the ranks of his Grande Armée.  And Bonaparte himself did not consider himself to be French.  You can blame Bonaparte for modern racism.Pistolpierre (talk) 01:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You are again picturing this racist viison in which some "ethnies" (?) naturally settle down, forming modern nation-States. Sorry but it is not so. If anything can be identified to ethnies and retain a meaning, then these things are not neatly arranged on the borders of modern States.
 * Also you seem to be obsessed by the notion that "ethnies" determine politico-historical dynamics. Maybe you've read Huntington and taken that seriously, I don't know, but the mess in the Middle East is due to individuals suffering, not to neatly defined groups of people deciding that they have a grudge against each other and casting their sentiments on indiduals top-down.
 * I don't know which sort of bizarre notion you have regarding Napoleon, but for the record, Napoleon is not a modern and serious historian. Rama (talk) 07:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * For starters, Bonaparte gave Jews full civil rights in Europe. He is the father of modern France.  He also loathed the French, English, Spanish, and Prussians.  He was a racist.  You keep saying that ethnicity does not exist, yet the refusal to grant right of return to the Palestinians back to Israel and the fact that Judaism does not proselytize is de facto proof of ethnicity.  If everybody is Jewish as you claim, since Jewish ethnicity doesn't exist, then surely the Orthodox rabbis will do away with matrilineal descent.  You are aware, aren't you, that your logic calls for the complete destruction of the Orthodox Jewish faith and the religious state of Israel?  Did the French and English cultures or the cultures of Egypt, Israel, Persia, India, China shape the laws and political institutions of the United States?  Do the Irish consider the English to be a separate ethnicity?  Are you saying that the Arabs and the Jews are the same ethnicity?  Your logic says everybody is Chinese, Jewish, Irish, English, Berber, Ethiopian.  Do you deny that nations have unique cultural heritages?  Is your name Borat?  Do you loathe Kazakhstan, France, Britain, and America?  Your ideas on ethnicity and modern nations are utopian at best and insane at worst.Pistolpierre (talk) 18:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop insulting me and distorting my point beyond recognition. Of course people who live at the other side of the world have little influence on a country; that's because they are far away, not because they are "ethnically" different.


 * You once again display your incapability to distinguish between so-called "ethnicities", religions and nationalities. Orthodox Jewish faith is a religion. Israel is a State. Hebrew were an "ethnicity" some 2000 years ago. And the fact that some people hold racist views does not make the concept of race a sound one.
 * Furthermore, this is a talk page about Nicolas Sarkozy, not about your 19th Century view of the world. Rama (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a discussion about denying Sarkozy's Mother Jewish ethnicity. Your logic says there is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity.  Therefore we are all Jewish.  Therefore there is no need for a Jewish state because Jews can practice Judaism anywhere on Earth.  Is that not the natural progression of your logic?  Why do you use the term Hebrew?  Are you saying that Arabs are Hebrews?  Are you saying that I should call Jews Hebrews?  Your admission that the French and English shaped U.S. political institutions is admission that there is such a thing as a unique cultural heritage.  I didn't say anything about ethnicity.  Although given the zealotry that the Abrahamic religions inspired in the West, it is doubtful that since democracy never emerged in the Middle East prior to 1948, it ever would have if not for the disastrous consequences the religious cultures of the Middle East have had on the West.  That is not remotely racist, it is simply historical fact.  Pistolpierre (talk) 19:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I completely support Med point of view on the initial issue, now if some others people could stop pushing their weird agenda we could maybe move on... Sensi.fr (talk) 05:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If this is any conciliation, Sarkozy certainly looks more Middle-Eastern (maybe even Jewish) than North European. Perhaps you could devise a mathematical formula to say that he is say for example 1/16th Hebrew, 1/8th Frank, 1/8 Gaul, 1/128th Mongolian (from his Hungarian ancestors), etc, etc, then that will settle the question of his ethnicity. Perhaps a better description of Sarkozy would be that racially Sarkozy is a human mongrel whose genetic traits are a fusion of several human ethnicities, and that his appearance is rather displeasing to the human eye (in other words, UGLY). 86.136.61.102 (talk) 00:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

The first French President to be of mixed heritage
What is meant by the sentence? The first French president not to be 100% French? Is any French person 100% French? What about the French President Georges Pompidou? Pompidou is a Greek last name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.248.32.46 (talk) 03:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

23rd President
President Sarkozy is 23rd President of France, why is the number not included in his title? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SilverBritannia (talk • contribs) 19:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This is an American tradition, not French. Mezigue (talk) 21:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that Napolean III 1st president of France has his number next to his title — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.190.29 (talk) 13:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well spotted. However it is better to correct a mistake than spread it, so I have done that.    Mezigue (talk)
 * If you refer to the list of Presidents of France, they have their number next to them. Therefore it's not only an american tradition but the French aswell. Therefore his number should be next to the title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.190.29 (talk) 15:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry but this is nonsensical. The fact that their list on Wikipedia is numbered as most lists are does not change the fact that the number is never given formally in France. Mezigue (talk) 19:48, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

What are his religious beliefs?
What exactly are his religious beliefs, if any? If you do comment, please indicate a reference. --AB (talk) 22:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Given his sexual history, he is most probably a non-practising Catholic (as is Carla Bruni). 86.136.103.230 (talk) 16:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * But given that he could also be a Jew or possibly a Muslim. 66.59.49.88 (talk) 12:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * As the article clearly states, he is offically Roman Catholic, although he is most likely not a practicing one. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 06:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Nicolas Sarkozy is definetely a practicing Roman Catholic, like his reception to the current pope showed.Mistico (talk) 22:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Serene Highness
Is he actually styled "His Serene Highness" in Andorra? The Andorran Government lists him and other presidents as being excellencies. -- Ibagli ( Talk ) 00:37, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Sarkozy presidental campaign founded by Gaddafi's money
Why isnt a mention of about 50 million dollars that was allegedly received by Sarkozy from Muammar Gaddafi between 2006 and 2007? Le Parisien wrote about it recently and this was reported even during the Libyan Civil War two years ago and by the media from all over the world. Ratipok (talk) 17:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Meme
, I would like to discuss the meme with you. As I pointed out on your talk page, memes are generally not notable enough to be included in the subject's page. Can we talk, instead of edit-warring? Origamite\(·_·\)(/·_·)/ 22:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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Illegal France campaign funds
Sarkozy questioned by judges over campaign funding scandal. --Momo Monitor (talk) 20:16, 16 February 2016 (UTC)