Talk:Nicole Wray

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Discussion
can somebody post her lowest note and in what song

Discraphy cleanup
Since there is already a discography page for this artist, I have moved singles, mixtapes and extended album details to the page at Nicole Wray discography. As a result, the artist page is now more concise. Cloudz679 11:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have once again "cleaned up" this section. I hope the concensus here is that the full discography is better suited to being on an alternative suitable page (already linked in my previous post). Cloudz679 01:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

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Rapper
Nicole Wray is not a rapper. She doesn't record rap albums and she isn't known for her rapping. Just because one user thinks she should be categorised as a rapper, doesn't mean this should be on her wikipedia entry. Cloudz679 (talk) 09:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Unreleased albums
I have again removed the "unreleased albums". No sourcing is provided to demonstrate that these particular supposed albums are any more notable than countless other similar fare. They do not deserve their own articles, nor do they belong on the discography. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 18:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have yanked them again. This time, though, instead of "Soccermeko", it was "Nekoangel16" or "Nekoangel17" or... It's hard to keep track of all of him. The smell of socks is overwhelming. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I am once again removing the unreleased albums and unsourced chart info. I will continue to do so until there is some discussion and/or the sock puppetry issue is resolved. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 16:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see Suspected_sock_puppets/Soccermeko. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see Suspected_sock_puppets/Soccermeko. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Attributability
I'm concerned that a lot of the information on the page was orignal research (see WP:NOR) and have removed unverified material accordingly. Cloudz679 (talk) 20:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Page protection
I have protected the page from editing for 5 days, following this request. Please take this opportunity to discuss the contested revisions here. CIreland (talk) 01:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Propose removal of unattributed material and revert to or, as way of compromise, at least some references that meet the requirements laid out in Reliable sources. Cloudz679 (talk) 10:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also propose removal of nicknames other than 'Nicole' as per Template:Infobox_Musical_artist. Cloudz679 (talk) 10:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree: unreleased "albums", mixtapes, etc. should go unless there are citations to reliable sources demonstrating that they are, in some meaningful way, notable. All unsourced/poorly sourced nicknames should go. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Albums, Eps, Mixtapes
I gave you a list of reliable sources. I gave you one for Elektric Blue, Lovechild, and her new album. I gave sources about her mixtapes and eps and it proves that they are valuable to being apart of the profile and discography. And you didn't get the sources i will provide them again, shortly. Soccermeko (talk) 15:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

"Also known as"
Rather than the repeated edit, revert, re-revert, re-re-revert edit war here, please discuss this.

1) What names belong here? Names shown on albums, "street" names, names announced as, etc. 2) Is there a wikipedia guideline on this? 3) Are sources needed? 4) Are sources shown?

Thanks. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Names belonging in the alias field, as demonstrated at the wikipedia guideline at template:Infobox_Musical_artist, are for official stage names (e.g. NOT nicknames such as The Godfather of Soul for James Brown). Official stage names are those in which she has appeared. The 1998 album was released with the name Nicole (source: amazon.com).


 * I don't think sources are generally needed but for something which clearly is not a stage name, i.e.
 * google result for black betty boo and nicole wray
 * google result for black betty boo and nicole wray


 * This misinformation is unencyclopaedic and should be removed. As an additional comment, the multiple results on the second search are copies of the first and not independent pages.

Thanks for your thoughts. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 16:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that this nonsense is being continuously readded to the page against wikipedia's policies is a cause for concern. Cloudz679 (talk) 15:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Betty Boo
They call her Betty Boo on her mixtape and in interviews. here one right now Infostorm (talk) 15:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Nicknames are not included as aliases as per the wikipedia guidelines I quoted above. Cloudz679 (talk) 15:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Also known as
Well these are the name she went by

Past Names

 * Lady Day of the Streets
 * Nicole Ray
 * The First Lady at/of Roc
 * Nicole
 * Sexy as I wanna be

Present Names

 * Betty Boo (Everyone of her fans call her this)
 * Nikki Wray (fans call her this [go to her Elektric Blue Petition] to see it)
 * The Billie Holiday of the Streets    (A.Fam Enterntainment gave this name on her mixtape)

If you don't have the mixtape, so you can her it than you need to hush because this is the truth. Infostorm (talk) 15:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If you're so sure of yourself why can't you reference it. The guidelines above are very clear. She's made no releases under any name other than Nicole and Nicole Wray. Cloudz679 (talk) 15:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Infostorm, ALSO KNOWN AS Soccermeko, has been blocked as a sock of Soccermeko. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't call it a second studio album
do not call her new 2008 album, her second studio album because she said that she will be releasing her other album "Elektric Blue" and "Lovechild" in the fall of 2008. you have to call it either a "new album", "upcoming 2008 album", or "fourth studio album". 4.154.2.73 (talk) 20:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, SM, I disagree. As it would be her second released studio album, it would be her second studio album. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 21:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur with Mdsummermsw. If it is released, it will be her second album. Cloudz679 (talk) 07:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

New album has a title
(removed likely trolling)

New editor has a familiar writing style... In any event, the album might or might not have a title. When it has a reliable source saying it has a title, then it 'will have a title. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion
If it is to be removed then everyone must be able to edit the page. To help with the circumstances, you need to fall under these categories. Must be a user for at a month, must not continue to engage in an edit war with another user, must not block every user for their on belief in trying to prove that they were a sockpuppet. I trying to make this fair for everybody, I don't want to see the page be deleted but it most if everything continues the way it was. 4.129.65.144 (talk) 16:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As with any other page in Wikipedia, anyone can edit any page unless the page is protected or semi-protected. In the latter case, anyone can edit the page if they get an account, wait 4 days, and possibly make some small number of edits.   The only exceptions are blocked or banned users.  They are almost always blocked or banned either because they have abused Wikipedia or, in the case of users editing anonymously, someone using their IP address has abused Wikipedia or the IP address is otherwise not welcome to edit anonymously or at all.
 * This article has been semi-protected in the past to deal with vandalism, but is currently not protected. Unless you are a blocked user or are suspected of being one, or you are editing from an IP address that Wikipedia does not want to be used to edit articles anonymously, you should be able to edit the article.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  17:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding "To help with the circumstances, you need to fall under these categories. Must be a user for at a month, must not continue to engage in an edit war with another user, must not block every user for their on belief in trying to prove that they were a sockpuppet.":
 * Unless the article is under the auspices of WP:ARBCOM, the only restrictions that will be enforced are those already in place as policy or guideline. "Must be a user for a month" - will not be enforced.  "Must not continue to engage in an edit war with another user" - will be enforced according to letter and spirit of WP:3RR, which allows for blocking after multi-day edit wars that don't meet the "3 reverts in a day" criteria.  "Must not block every user for their on (sic), own? belief in trying to prove that they were a sockpuppet." - usually, sockpuppet allegations to got WP:CHECKUSER or other forums to verify the allegation.  However, since actual sockpuppets typically aren't noticed until they engage in disruptive behavior, odds are, if someone is a suspected sockpuppet, they've already violated a policy or guideline and can probably be blocked or at least on that basis alone, independent of any sockpuppet allegations.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  17:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Web Site
The listed web site, NicoleWray.net/, does not appear to work. The following web site does indeed work: NicoleWray.com/. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theknightb4 (talk • contribs) 05:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The dot com site clearly not an official site. TheJazzDalek (talk) 11:04, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

"I Found You"
Quick update "I Found You" is not the title of her second studio album you have listed in the discography section of the main wiki page of Nicole; her second studio album is called Kill Cupid, "I Found You" is the name of the lead single from the album & it got released on iTunes a few weeks ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.115.168.7 (talk) 19:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The discography section of this article lists her only album, Make It Hot and the single "I Found You". It does not say there is a second album. Note the formatting: Album title vs. "Song title". - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 20:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, is there anyway you could remove the song title, because it seems out of place when you just have one released album and one released single, when she had more than one song as an official single. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.115.168.7 (talk) 19:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I have moved the single and accompanying reference to the discography page. Main page just points to discography page and lists her, as yet, only released album. Cloudz679 (talk) 20:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Unreleased Albums
Unreleased albums will be included since it is stated in the article. It is unfair that thousands of other wiki articles have valuable pieces of information like Nicole Wray and hers is excluded for whatever reason. Do not revert/undo my corrections otherwise I will report you. If you need additional sources for references/citations then just e-mail me otherwise do not undo it based on your desire. Thanks. - Klimax68 (talk) 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Previous discussion on this very point decided that we were not including her various shelved albums. When you are reverted, discuss the issue and seek consensus on the talk page before restoring the material. Thanks. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 04:20, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

The problem with you and Cloudz679 is that you both are in cahoots (or obviously controlled by only one user) and do not give full explanation as to why you will not allow the unreleased albums. My point is that if there are other wiki articles with unreleased LP's in a discography list, then that will not make one bit of sense for Nicole Wray's unreleased LPs to be excluded. How can an agreement be made from 3 to 4 years ago, without other users or my involvement. I have recently joined Wikipedia and the discussion never involved me, so your point is invalid. Furthermore, I had made additional corrections and by placing reliable sourced links intact with the LP names in the discography section. For you to remove it based off your desire, is unfair. There will not be an agreement reached because your persistent reverting demonstrates your selfishness and lack of patience when it comes to new edits by other users. Klimax68 (talk) 21:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It is logical that unreleased albums and mixtapes are not notable, and the existence of this information on other articles is not relevant. If you cannot show how it is relevant then there is no reason for it to be included. Wikipedia works by consensus of multiple editors and there is evidently no consensus here to include such trivial information. Cloudz 679 22:22, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It is obvious that there has been sock puppetry here. If you believe there is more, I believe you are familiar with the process. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 00:16, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

The unreleased albums are very relevant and been highly noted as part of her career. I'm not asking to create individual wiki articles on the albums all I'm trying to do is add the other two unreleased albums under her "solo discography". Furthermore, the LP's have been a hot topic for the singer in most of her interviews following 2002 to this present day. As I stated before, the absence of this vital information is confusing; it's ridiculous to say the least how you "two" will not simply allow the titles under the solo discography, even when I do offer references intact with reliable sources. Klimax68 (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * As I believe I have made clear, if you would like to open a sock puppetry case to determine if Cloudz and I are either the same person or meat puppets, please do so. If you need assistance, I can certainly walk you through, as I have started several myself. Otherwise, I will consider further insinuations to be mere personal attacks, which is against our policies.
 * As both Cloudz and I have explained above, mixtapes and unreleased albums are simply not notable. I understand you are not trying to start individual articles for them this time. Nevertheless, without coverage in reliable sources, there is nothing to add. Your latest attempted additions here were "sourced" as follows:


 * "Wray released a mixtape, Boss Bitch, in hopes of garnering buzz for her forthcoming album tentatively titled, Kill Cupid." Source? An itunes download page showing the non-notable mixtape exists. No indication whatsoever that the supposedly "forthcoming" album (from two years ago!) exists.


 * "In July 2011, Wray released a lead single, "I Found You", from her upcoming solo album, Kill Cupid." Again, an itunes download page shows the song exists. Nothing indicates it is "a lead single" or from the always "upcoming" solo album.


 * "In 2012, Wray joined R&B/Soul duo, Lady, with fellow independent English singer, Terri Walker. The duo are set to release their self-titled debut album via Truth & Soul Records yielding a recent leaked record, "Money", as a lead single for the project." Sourced to a blog*, we hear their debut is "set to appear". Heck, they've been at it since 2009, 2 years before Wray had that "forthcoming" album ready to burst outta the gates at ... any ... moment ... now ...
 * (*How do we know this is not a reliable source? See all of those green links? The one for "Walker", for instance, takes you to a site selling medical supplies. You know, like walkers. THAT'S HOW YOU PAY FOR A BLOG. Do they "have a reputation for fact checking and accuracy"? That depends. Do you have a "graving"''{sic} for "SOUL" music? How about that author: JusMusic he's the "Founder and Creator of Singersroom.com" (translation: blogger) and a "Producer/Songwriter". Heck, he even has a website, http://www.jusmusic.com/ is, um, developing a website for his "movement". "Watch (him) grow!"


 * Frankly, there is nothing to add here. You disagree. I get it. From here, I see several ways this can go:
 * 1: Independent reliable sources suddenly realize Wray is about to conquer the world and start covering her.
 * 2: You establish that Cloudz and I one person (editing under two names for 6 years specifically to be able to undermine Wray).
 * 3: Another editor shows up to support you, sock case ensues.
 * 4: You wait until one of these "forthcoming" projects actually sees the light of day. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 02:13, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Soccermeko back again. Makes me feel all warm, fuzzy, and nostalgic. He's blocked.&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:51, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2023
The Date of Birth is incorrect. The correct birthdate is May 2, 1979. 2600:6C58:597F:FCE6:D51B:BE0E:381:83F7 (talk) 04:31, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2023
Nicole Wray's correct date of birth is May 2, 1979. It is incorrectly listed on her Wikipedia page as May 2, 1981. 2600:6C58:597F:F0BD:54FF:B086:249D:DE48 (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:44, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * According to AllMusic, she was born in 1979. https://www.allmusic.com/artist/lady-wray-mn0003482142 Sackkid (talk) 04:52, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Sackkid: AllMusic is generally not recommended as a source for biographical information such as a person's date of birth. If there is no other source that verifies that information, then it could be used. Also, your account is already autoconfirmed, meaning you are able to add this information to the article yourself. Let me know if you have any questions! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Still conflicting year of birth
Why does it first say 1981 like in the infobox then in the early life section it says 1979? Oldschoollover24 (talk) 17:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I removed the DOB for now because there is no other reliable source Oldschoollover24 (talk) 22:36, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2024
Please remove the errant ref tag here:

Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 02:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Done! C679 03:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)