Talk:Nieuport-Delage Sesquiplan

Cup winner
It seems we have got some N-D types confused here (not surprised, since the racers don't come with type numbers in most sources!) but the 1922 cup winner was a biplane: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1922/1922%20-%200573.html


 * My error: this article only covers 1921 cup. I'm a bit confused about he dates, for the Italian wp has the sesqiplanes at both the 1921 and 1922 Coupes, with the biplane NiD 29 at the earlier one as well. Working on it!TSRL (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC) Ah! The winner in 1922 was lasne with the NiD 29.TSRL (talk) 12:24, 4 April 2013 (UTC) Clearer now.TSRL (talk) 17:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

The Type 31 was a 1918 fighter, despite the redirect to here; did it get developed into the two rather different (from it and each other http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1922/1922%20-%200563.html) sesquipane racers? I only have Green & Swanborough, who naturally only cover the fighters.TSRL (talk) 10:23, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

The 31 fighter was developed directly into the sesquiplan racer exactly the same as the 29 became the 29V. Having two pages for the same type does not make any sense. Sesquiplan was the popular name, 31 the NiD designation. NiD.29 (talk) 07:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Wright engine
Was this the NiD-41 listed by and flown by Bertelin at the 1922 cup. Was it withdrawn early? Flight expected two sesquiplans at Etampes.TSRL (talk) 17:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The "Sesquiplan" was supposed to have had that engine at some point and everything else they list fits so perhaps the 41 designation is correct for the later racers...NiD.29 (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The other sesquiplan(e) was the NiD 37 which had the pilot sitting over the engine, and the second wing mounted ahead of the axle. here: is a photo...NiD.29 (talk) 21:47, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Recently wrote it up as Nieuport-Delage NiD 37! What was the evidence for the photo being the NiD 41? That may well be right but Hartmann (p.10) has it as the NiD 42 S.TSRL (talk) 16:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * He has the drawing correct but not the photo. Have a look at Sanger, 2002 (Nieuport Aircraft of World War One, Crowood Aviation Series) p.175 (Eugene Gilbert, 3 photos) and p.176 (42S, 2 photos) - though he seems to indicate that the 41 was a different type to the Eugene Gilbert from which the engine was borrowed, following the abandonment of work on the 41, yet on p.159 he lists the 41 in the sequence of 37C.1 and 42S as a racer and then mentions it again on p.177 when he suggests it wasn't a development of the wartime fighters. The Sesquiplan/Eugene Gilbert may not have had a designation since the numerical designation was originally intended to be applied to aircraft for the air force. The 42S had a V12 engine, while all the previous sesquiplane racers had V8's, which resulted in a longer, narrower nose that lost the roundness.NiD.29 (talk) 05:53, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

NiD 42
Just added a line and ref on the NiD 42 that won the Coupe Beaumont. Interesting Flight article as ref.TSRL (talk) 17:09, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Speed record
There is no doubt that Lacointe set an absolute (short course) record in Feb 1923 speed record, as recorded in Flight the next week, 22/2/23. They gave no type. The WP article originally ascribed this to the 41 (on the 13 October) but a later edit replaced it with the 42 S. A 500 hp N-D (the 42 S?) did get at least one speed record but over 500 km so much slower (307 km/h), in June 1924.(Flight 29/1/1925). The only clues on aircraft identity in the Feb '23 article are wing radiators and 400 hp engine, though an H-S. Engine powers are notoriously variable, but taking things literally this says NiD 41; the Wright was a H-S V-8. By the way: Lage's book on things H-S says tht at this time US development had got ahead of the home team with 400 hp rather than 300 hp from essentially the same engine. He says that the US engine was fitted to the NiD 37, though there is nothing of this in Green and Swanborough, then transferred to the sesquiplane in which Sadi L broke the record in Feb 1923. I'll modify the text accordingly unless any of you know more.TSRL (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)