Talk:Nigel Farage/Archive 2

Cameo
Should Nigel Farage's bizarre career on the app Cameo, where you can pay him to say pretty much whatever, be mentioned, alongside some of the stranger stuff he has been made to say? It's been widely covered (and mocked) in the media, see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 etc. Ichthyovenator (talk) 13:10, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Reversion of my edit on singing of neo-nazi songs
@ Earl of Arundel: Friendly greetings Earl, I very rarely get reverted as I only ever use RS, avoid opinion pieces and I've been editing since 2005. My objective is always to get a better article so please lets cooperate and count victory as a better article. We can both win. The Independent article isn't gossip, nor is it an opinion piece. After the murder of Jo Cox, a number of people felt intimidated.

To those who know their propaganda history, Farage's video of refugees in a long line is remarkably evocative of rats coming out of the gutter interspersed with pictures of Jews as depicted in the Eternal Jew. I visited the Hitler's mountain residence but much material has been taken down to minimise the risk of Hitler worship. Note in South Thanet where Farage stood, both Tory and Labour combined to block Farage. Michael Howard himself is a Jew as are the Miliband brothers. https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/inside-the-tory-battle-to-stop-nigel-farage-becoming-an-mp.

Regards JRPG (talk) 22:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * [Not Earl, but] That his schoolfriend said that he sung that nazi song is certainly verifiable and sourced to adequately reliable sources, the problem is with including an incendiary accusation by a schoolfriend of his in the early life section of a BLP, especially with that specific wording (e.g. saying it was "confirmed" by his old friend). The problem is that it's undue, and problematic for a BLP – whether the accusatoin is true or not – to include every bit of gossip thrown around like that by people someone went to school with. The guidelines at WP:BLPGOSSIP are probably helpful here: Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; [yes] whether the material is being presented as true [no, it's something he was accused of by a friend from his old school] and whether, even if true, it is relevant to a disinterested article about the subject [debatable, but we should probably trust the judgement of the level of coverage in reliable sources]


 * If this garnered a large amount of attention in other secondary sources it could plausibly be due and treated appropriately, but googling around I don't think that it did. Only good RS I can find on this really is Hareetz and the article from The Independent you used in your edit (+Channel 4 probably qualifies too: ). I don't really think gossip-y stuff like this should find its way into a BLP without good reason, especially when it seems barely covered by reliable sources. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 23:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Nigel Farage Place of Birth
Farnborough is in Hampshire not in Kent as stated in the summary — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.161.167.75 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That is a different Farnborough. Hogweard (talk) 09:37, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * He was born in this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:19, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Farage was born in Farnborough when it was in Kent, this because he was born prior to 1965 and the formation of the County of Greater London which took over the area removing it from Kent. Crayboi (talk) 20:49, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2021
Nigel Farage duped into saying pro Provisional IRA slogan in Cameo service video, which made international headlines:

https://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-pro-ira-message-birthday-cameo-video/amp/

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/nigel-farage-i-was-hoaxed-into-up-the-ra-birthday-greeting-40939610.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/up-the-ra-nigel-farage-duped-into-using-republican-slogan-in-birthday-video-message-1.4698180 212.129.78.206 (talk) 14:02, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * "International" headlines, as in "UK and Ireland" headlines? He will literally say wherever you want for €87? It sounds like the man is a complete fool. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Preston Grasshoppers R.F.C.
"A rugby club has cancelled an upcoming event featuring Nigel Farage following backlash from members and the community. Preston Grasshoppers RFC has now cancelled the charity event, billed as ‘An evening with Nigel Farage: The man not the myth’. me after the event sparked outrage on social media with supporters and members of the club voicing their anger, and some resorting to cutting up their membership cards." Not sure how notable this is. Perhaps it happens all the time? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Stress in the surname
I've heard Farage being mentioned by other people a lot of times and each time I heard it as stress-final, something like /fəˈɹɑʒ/. As I watched this video on YouTube, I felt like they don't really mind the stress, though I noticed that in the end Nigel himself pronounced both «Farage» and «garage» rather stress-initial, more like /ˈfærɑːʒ/. Still I can't help noticing that a big set of people pronounce it stress-final, so I think that /fəˈɹɑʒ/ should be added next to /ˈfærɑːʒ/, at best with an explanation if one can be found from a reliable source. Артём Кочкин (talk) 08:59, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Air crash.
The air crash and injury should be added to the personal section. 2A02:C7C:E085:8D00:1023:BE69:1A57:F565 (talk) 16:16, 13 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Covered under 2010 general election. — Czello 17:31, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Farage, not Farange
EOM. RudolfoMD (talk) 03:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * — Czello (music) 07:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

NatWest
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NatWest_Group&diff=1166122455&oldid=1156343870 In ictu oculi (talk) 11:03, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Dodgy dealings
In the European Parliament section there's this bit:

The BBC spent four months filming a documentary about his European election campaign in 1999, but did not air it. Farage, then head of the UKIP's South East office, asked for a video and had friends make copies which were sold for £5 through the UKIP's magazine. Surrey Trading Standards investigated and Farage admitted the offence (what offence?).[14/41]

I added the numbers at the end, forgot which citation it was. That leads to a archived news article that clearly states that Ukip did sell those films & Farage telling that it shouldn't have happened. So the (what offence?) is utterly ridiculous there. Hope it will be removed soon. 85.148.147.144 (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I removed it. I am not opposed to it being re-added if we can find better sources. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 22:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

He's far-right\alt-right
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a00:23c7:91ab:bc01:38dc:1ba2:b2e:c3c (talk) 2023-09-26T21:45:36 (UTC) – dudhhr talkcontribssheher 21:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

What house was Nigel in at Dulwich College?
Worth enquiring. 82.71.2.184 (talk) 17:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

I note an entry has been removed from his early days when it was reported whilst in air cadets he marched through local village singing Hitler youth songs
update 194.75.90.69 (talk) 09:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I believe it was removed for 1) not being notable and 2) no definitive proof of it even being true. — Czello (music) 09:50, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you got that claim mixed with this 2019 report in The Independent where a "close school friend" claimed that ".. the teenage Mr Farage sang “gas 'em all, gas 'em all”, a neo-Nazi song about Jewish people."? Although there is also this report in Morning Star which says: ""A recently unearthed letter from the rabid rightwingers's time at posh public school Dulwich College alleges that he "marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler Youth songs."" Martinevans123 (talk) 16:50, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Short description
As pointed out in this revert, WP:SDAVOID says avoid time-specific adjectives like "former". However, in this case the phrase exactly mirrors the opening sentence of the article. It's a fact that Farage is a "former politician"? Or else the opening sentence should also be changed? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)


 * SPAVOID also says 'editors should not attempt to define the article's subject nor to summarise the lead'. It's just meant to give an idea as to what the subject is known for. You look up Nigel and it tells you he's known as a broadcaster and politician. I think of it the same way Mike Tyson's SD doesnt say 'former boxer', because its not what hes known for being. Nswix (talk) 16:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
 * For enough. Although now it's probably more like "broadcaster, politician and reality-TV celebrity". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2024
Change all tALKSPORT to Talksport to this way please? 86.191.233.190 (talk) 14:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ I could find only one instance. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm a Celeb
Should this be mentioned in the lead? Pinging @Martinevans123 per his edit summary. I've no real view on it, but if it's included it shouldn't stick out like it currently is doing. Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 22:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It sticks out in a similar way in the lead section of Nick Hancock Matt Hancock, not so much at Nadine Dorries and Kezia Dugdale. Perhaps there will soon come a day when all MPs will be obliged to compete. Until that day comes, I think it's notable and thus lead-worthy. One might argue that Farage's alleged fee of up to £1.5 million makes it even more notable. Happy to hear what other editors think. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:14, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Nick Hancock? Sure, he nicked someone else's wife, but for now, "Matt"'ll probably do ;) Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 22:25, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * "They Think It's All Over.... it will be if Nigel gets hold of them." (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Following his very cheeky contribution, perhaps his appearance deserves to be right at the bottom? As disturbing as George Galloway's Big Brother cat antics. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2024
Edit the other political affiliations section on the infobox to include the Anti-Federalist League from 1992–1993. Currently, the infobox states that Farage was a member of the Conservatives until 1993, this is incorrect and also contradicts the body of the article. 195.99.8.88 (talk) 02:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ thank you! Irltoad (talk) 08:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2024
Now that Farage is leader again, and the name of the party in the infobox has been changed to reflect that, I would suggest changing the note from:

"The party was renamed Reform UK in January 2021 and Farage led the renamed party until March 2021."

to

"The party was named the Brexit Party from its founding in November 2018 to January 2021, when it was renamed Reform UK. Farage led the renamed party until March 2021." 195.213.249.33 (talk) 16:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Disregard, no longer necessary. 195.213.249.33 (talk) 17:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2024
Change June 2024 to June 3rd 2024 2A02:C7C:5802:DA00:B1BC:8200:9238:703 (talk) 00:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The infobox says the date he became party leader already, I'm not sure that the lead needs that clarification. Irltoad (talk) 07:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

New picture for Farage?
The picture of Farage in the infobox is 6 years old, there isn't much in the public domain but there is a 2020 picture from Gage Skidmore: Dingers5Days (talk) 18:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I think the previous 2018 image was better quality. I feel this image has him too focused away from the body of the article, which should generally be discouraged. It would probably be better to wait as there will possibly be more images emerging during the election campaign. (and, if he were to be elected, an official portrait) 148.252.146.70 (talk) 09:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will revert the edit; I agree that we may get a better one during the campaign. Dingers5Days (talk) 15:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Greenhayes was not a grammar school
"Farage's first school was Greenhayes School for Boys (Grammar School) in West Wickham" - this cannot be correct. Grammar schools in the UK cover secondary school ages, starting in Year 7 at age 11. Other sources describe the school as independent and fee-paying. The gov.uk listing describes Greenhayes as "Other independent school" at the time of its closure in 1999, see - https://www.get-information-schools.service.gov.uk/Establishments/Establishment/Details/101689 Additionally, this 1998 article in The News Shopper (local paper to West Wickham) also describes Greenhayes as an independent school and details the then headmaster Derek Cozens suing the parents of a former pupil in a dispute over fees. https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/6504051.stalemate-in-school-bullies-dispute/ Unless there is evidence to the contrary, "grammar school" should be removed. 62.3.76.159 (talk) 19:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The current source is this 2015 blog, by a Stuart Pedley-Smith, which indeed just says "Greenhayes School for Boys (Grammar School) in West Wickham". So no current justification. I guess Farage will have attended from 1975? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Please fix typo error
He later said he "miscaulated" the popularity of Bercow in the constituency.

Change to

He later said he "miscalculated" the popularity of Bercow in the constituency. Dick Turpin (talk) 01:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅ -- Alarics (talk) 11:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)