Talk:Nightclub/Archives/2013

Cabaret versus "Dance Club"
Cabaret Kabarett Cabaret (food)) Cabaret (disambiguation) Category:Cabaret Dance Club

Unfinished sentence?
"In the US, the largest nightclubs found in New York, Miami, Chicago, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles."

Well... what's up with them? It seems this sentence is missing a part.

Orb and Toxic
Why does it take so much time to build the mentioned night clubes Orb and Toxic?

http://www.clubyellowpages.com/ | nightclubs | night club tickets..

Differece between bar and nightclub
I live in Wellington and although there is a proliferation of after-dark venues, there's not much of a distinction made between bars and nightclubs. All venues have music. How loud the music is, and whether people dance or not generally depends on how busy it gets.

I'm never sure how to draw the line. Is there a clear difference between the two concepts in some countries? www.clubugly.com

Ben Arnold 01:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * normally if you have to pay to get in then it's a nightclub. nightclubs usually only open from at least 9pm onwards although you do get a few exceptions - locally there is one monthly local club that runs from 8pm-2:30am, but all other clubs around here open at 10:30pm --MilkMiruku 03:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC) www.clubugly.com

Yeah I've subsequently talked to a friend who's been visiting from the U.K. He says that there are laws there that seem to require bars to close at a certain time and require nightclubs (which don't open until late) to put a charge on the door. I guess without those laws it gets pretty grey. He also said that there are "nightclubs" in the U.K. where you pay the cost of a drink to get it, but then you get given a voucher for a free drink. Ben Arnold 06:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC) www.clubugly.com/

Hello, not entirely true. In the Uk the law changed on the 24th November 2005 to allow clubs to open until whatever time they wanted (and agreed with by the local authority). Some clubs have to stop selling alcohol, for example, at 2am. The voucher idea is illegal in the Uk as it's still supplying alcohol out of hours. It is true though that you must charge someone a minimum of £1 to enter the club.
 * I've been in clubs in London where it's been free before 22:30, for instance. I've also been in a place that included a drink in the entry price.  I'm a "member" of a different London club (I just filled in a form and gave them my address, they sent me a plastic card) so I get free entry now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.151.120 (talk) 20:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Then why are there (still) so many UK clubs charging men an entrance fee, but letting women in for free? The 24-hour licensing law you mentioned does indeed exist, but it's so damn difficult to get a licence later than 3am that hardly anyone bothers. JulesVerne 13:02, 21 February 2007 (GMT)

Charging men and women a different price is illegal in the UK (as noted in the article) and not that common at all. I live in London and there are tons of clubs with late alcohol licenses. Places like Fabric and Ministry of Sound serve alcohol until 8AM on weekend mornings. Some clubs are pretty much open and serving all weekend long. Quanneur (talk) 21:32, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I definitely feel there is a difference between a bar and a nightclub, particularly in any big city. I've lived in Vancouver, Montreal, London, Derby and Poole. In all those places there was a clear distinction between the two, with clubs being larger and staying open later than bars. Bars would have more seating and typically no dancefloor, or only a small one. A typical nightclub would be dominated by the dancefloor. Quanneur (talk) 21:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

list of clubs
Moving the clubs on this page to list of clubs was a good idea. The external link on THIS Nightclub page maybe should not include individual clubs. There is one there for an Irish bar. Maybe it should be moved to the list of Nightclubs. --DDD DDD


 * good idea. i've moved most of the links across. links on this page should probably stick to sites about the history of nightclubs and stuff like that --MilkMiruku 06:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC) http://www.clubyellowpages.com/ for you club tickets

Venues
Maybe the venue section would look better as its own article.


 * Move and summarise briefly in this article. At the moment it just clutters the article. How many average wikipedians are going to want to build their own nightclub? Mushintalk 19:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Move - that extra info is informative but takes up to much of the page --MilkMiruku 17:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. An "article" like this could only be a list.  Exploding Boy 19:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Do lists not exist on Wikipedia? Please explain your reasoning. Mushintalk 18:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose - There's no need or justification for such a move. Unsigned comment by 207.200.116.196
 * Indeed there is need and justification - read the comments made by MilkMiruku and myself. Mushintalk 18:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * oppose - leave this information where it is. It is valuable information to help wikipedians understand what makes up a club, and why a venue was chosen, however it works best in conjunction with the article on what a nightclub is.


 * oppose - leave this information where it is, for now. Brian W 18:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I have split the info out to a new article, as no valid reasons were given as to why not. Please feel free to refer Nightclub venues for afd if you feel the info isn't worthy of an article. Please do not merge it back into Nightclub. Thanks. Mushintalk 06:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I have nominated that article for deletion (see Articles for deletion/Nightclub venues ). The text was originally entered into the present article in April 2006 by User:Pinclip. __meco 18:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Categories of nightclubs
I really think a better distinction needs to be made between the different types of nightclubs. In the U.S. a nightclub is after all just a broad term that can refer to any type of adult music entertainment venue including a strip club (which even has its own article), a dance club, a live music club, etc. Therefore the initial paragraph claiming that a nightclub is synonymous with a "discotheque" is, to the best of my knowledge, not correct.

I think it would be useful to create different sections for the specific types of clubs so that they can be better expanded rather than trying to lump everything together in one section. It may even warrant creating separate articles entirely (since oftentimes there are practical differences between a dance club and a live music club both in design, operation, and even clientele). Just a suggestion.

--SWCastNetwork 16:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I like this idea. TheMetalChick (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

While a valid idea I would say that in popular use "clubbing" typically refers almost exclusively to dance clubs. If one is asked to "go to a club" no other sort of nightclub is usually inferred as the suggested destination. I'm not saying it isn't a broad term in a technical sense, but merely that in popular usage there is a set idea.

Perhaps the best idea is, as has been suggested, to look closer to the evolution of nightclubs. As they tended to splinter off into different styles the others typically began to be referred to by other names. 67.169.74.129 (talk) 10:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Foam?
Is it really representative that of four pictures on this page, two of them feature foam? I've been DJing, operating, and attending clubs for years, and have never been to a foam party. Amber388 (talk) 20:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, it seems to make it much more common. I have been clubbing throughout the U.S. and South Korea and have never heard of such thing. Dudebri1 (talk) 03:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

The fact is that here in the U.K Foam Parties have been the most popular Night-club activity since 1992 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.76.46 (talk) 12:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

London bias
I've added back in some references to other European centres of clubbing happening during the 1980s outside London. It does not serve us well to retain biased POVs. What was happening is some of these areas were just as relevant (in same cases more so) than what had been left on this page. Certainly the scene which led to the arrival of the Hacienda and the developments in Ibiza were much more far-reaching than say Visage, important as they were. So please add to and improve this section rather than simply deleting things. :-) Mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.72.247.95 (talk) 09:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Accidents
Is this section really necessary? Any business incurs accidents, some of which are the result of fires, so why include this info simply on this page? RaseaC (talk) 22:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree, not only is it not appropriate, but also is badly not current, with many major incidents that I am familiar with not appearing on this list. I think deletion is appropriate. Dudebri1 (talk) 03:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Some notable accidents not included:
 * Alcalá 20 Nightclub fire 17 December 1983; Madrid, Spain; 82 dead
 * Luoyang Christmas fire 25 December 2000; Luoyang, People's Republic of China; 309 dead
 * Wuwang Club fire 21 September 2008; Shenzhen, People's Republic of China; 43 dead

But I too agree that this section is not appropriate. There are accidents in all types of establishments, if you look up bakeries or bicycle shops you dont see sections like this. TheMetalChick (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

This section is grossly under played as i see it and should be larger. These events that occured at night clubs are quite the disasters and they influence alot of legal building code procedures. If anything this section should be expanded. Perhaps listing each event isnt so necessary but indeed explaining why some nightclubs are lacking fire safety and resembling death traps is necessasry.Ottawa4ever (talk) 20:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I feel that this section should stay. Many nightclub accidents result in hundreds of deaths and receive international media attention. This is hardly on a par with a fire at a bakery. It seems there is justificiation for listing notable terrorist incidents, plane accidents, etc elsewhere on Wikipedia and a list of notable nightclub accidents is of a similar signifigance and value. Quanneur (talk) 03:53, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

History
The history section is weak. Were there nightclubs prior to Prohibition? Did nightclubs have their origin in European cabaret? Rees11 (talk) 12:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Picture
Would this be a good picture for the article? 300px

Eww, no. I go to nightclubs all the time and that scene is not representative of the generic term "nightclub" at all. TheMetalChick (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ive removed the image but not the link to the above photo and have not deleted it. The reasoning behind this is its tagged as a personality rights violation, and in the nearly two years the file existed no one has come forward with permission of the people. There is also no evidence that the photgraph was taken in a public place like a night club (this is assumed). Im willing to open a discussion about this. But since it has no place in the article. It doesnt need to be displayed here. Ottawa4ever (talk) 13:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sustainable nightclubs
The section on sustainable nightclubs was removed; please reinclude. I agree that energy conservation will not make the clubs truly ecologic, but the innovations about water harvesting & reuse make the danceclubs innovative and different nonetheless

I read about these in a newspapr, but as far as I am aware there is only one of these nightclubs around at the moment. It could become fashionable (and notable) but we don't know yet - wikipedia is not a crystal ball. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.96.22 (talk) 12:37, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

World music and central music database
Is world music/non-western music never played in a nightclub? Also, similar to a dance school, do some nightclubs provide courses for certain kinds of dance (eg jig, waltz, tango, disco, salsa, electronica, hip-hop, breakdancing, Krumping, African dance, ... )

Also, ideally, the music used could be streamed from internet radio stations or a central internet-connected system may be used where the music may be fetched from a single database; this would eliminate dubble costs for nightclubs (as they no longer need to purchase a same cd twice for each affiliation). The song would then be payed for atleast once, and offcourse some additional broadcasting costs need to be still payed aswell. It would also allow the music to be distributed for free or at low cost for nightclubs in the developing world.

Perhaps this can be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.169.78 (talk) 13:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Picture of Hong Kong "night club"
In Hong Kong, "disco" is the local term for a nightclub. "Nightclub" is the local term for a hostess club, where female attendants accompany usually male clients. The specific picture shows is for a karaoke hostess club (KTV), and is an incorrect picture for a nightclub as described in this article. Suggest to remove the picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.93.2 (talk) 05:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

No Lesbians!?
There's no cite here, but are we sure that's true? I know that, since gay clubs lost their taboo status, and gained status as good nights out, more and more heterosexuals have come to them. One reason given, is that hetero women like an atmosphere where they can have fun without being hit on by men all the time.

The problem being, as more and more groups of hetero women, without boyfriends, went to gay clubs, hetero men followed and sort-of diluted the whole reason anyone came in the first place. Often the queer clientele felt annoyed at their clubs turning into the sort of place they'd make an effort to avoid, and felt that heterosexual people were appropriating and stealing their culture, without having had to pay the historical costs of being queer and having to create our own space. Gay club culture is often different to hetero club culture, and is often, IMHO, better and more fun! And being told "No, mate, I'm not gay" gets depressing the third time it happens in one night.

Queer people like their gay clubs to be predominantly, or nearly-all, full of queer people. In very big cities, lesbians often have their own venues, and prefer to stay away from male ones. But in big, but not giant, cities, we all go clubbing and socialise together!

The phenomenon is summed up well in three words, "No hen parties"! With this in mind, is it really lesbians that are turned away from gay clubs? Or is it hetero women, and their closely-following menfolk? While gay men and lesbians have historically perhaps been a bit cold on each other, I don't think the two groups have ever had problems sharing club space.

So is this really lesbian discrimination that I just didn't know about? Or is it just, rather sensibly, asking the heterosexuals to stick to their own many clubs, and leave we queers to get on with having fun the way we like best?

92.40.254.175 (talk) 17:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC) greenaum
 * Talk pages aren't forums sorry! Gsp  8181  23:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Dance club
"A nightclub (or a dance club in the UK; usually shortened to club in the US)"

Dance Club? Have never heard this expression, we use nightclub and also shorten it often to just club. Grunners 19:46, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * same here--MilkMiruku 17:51, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Is this a US vs. UK thing, or is it generational (an extrapolation from the colloquial term "clubbing")? Who's this "we" that never heard of a dance club? Jazz clubs, comedy clubs, strip clubs, etc., all have long been types of nightclubs, and remain so. Since when have discos or dance venues had exclusive use of the term? 173.241.20.165 (talk) 15:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Recreational drugs used to be popular??

"Nightclub" entry should be titled "Dance Club"!
The term "nightclub" was well-established (long before the advent of discotheques) as a term primarily referencing what's also known as a "cabaret."

In the US at least, the term "nightclub" continues to refer to a range of establishments open predominantly at night (potentially offering food or alcohol) that exist primarily to offer various forms of entertainment.

Dance clubs are a form of nightclub, but so, too (unquestionably), are jazz clubs, comedy clubs, and many other forms of nighttime entertainment venues. The Wikipedia entry titled "nightclub," which discusses only dance clubs, is therefore grossly misleading.

The "nightclub" entry should be retitled "dance club," and an entirely new entry for "nightclub" should be created, surveying the range of venues -- or at the very least, recast as a "disambiguation" entry linking to entries for the various types of venues that the term "nightclub" subsumes. 173.241.20.165 (talk) 12:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Renaming. I couldn't agree more and was rooting for this ages ago already. Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 17:15, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth I'm the one who made the original "Dance Club" --> "Night Club" redirect back in April 2007. To be honest I have no recollection of having done this and I have to take the word of the edit history as proof! :-) I'm quite happy to see the change that you propose and have no objection. Wittylama 06:02, 3 December 2013 (UTC)