Talk:Nikodim Tsarknias

Photo
The photos copyright seems to have been updated, therefore I included it Mactruth (talk) 01:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Is this his picture? Because the picture I see in the net does not look like the one it was placed in the article.--Yannismarou (talk) 11:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion
The subject of the article is one monk in Greece and his perils in the Greek justice system. The aforementioned monk/convict is not a prominent member of any institution or organization, either human rights related or any other. The article is also POV and doesn't mention his latest conviction for child abuse. The article is pourly sourced too Shadow mor ph  ^"^ 23:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see Amnesty International, 1996 Annual Report for Greece. This person seems to have at least the minimal notability to forestall CSD A7. Please take this to WP:AFD instead. Thanks. Aramgar (talk) 00:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Assertions of notability

 * He established a Macedonian Orthodox Church in the town of Aridaia, Sveta Zlata Meglenska, where he conducts mass in the Macedonian language every sunday. On May 10, 1994 Amnesty International wrote to the Greek government expressing concern for safety of the Archimandrite and his sister, Maria.


 * In November 2006 he appealed this decision to the European Court of Human Rights.

The above unsourced assertions of notability have been removed from the article. Certainly these statements are verifiable, if some interested party should take the time to verify them. Aramgar (talk) 01:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The guy seems now to be in prison, so I doubt that he "conducts mass" from there. Since his operation was called illegal in Aridea, I doubt he ever conducted there at all. Even if he did, it is not a notable event. Some guy preaching in 1 unrecognized church. There 50,000 recognized ones in Greece with thousands of attendants, their clergy is not any more notable as persons.


 * Verifiable or not, "the burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia rests with the person who adds or restores material, and this is especially true for material regarding living persons" (from WP:BLP). The same policy states "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion", which is exactly what I did. If all of that are facts, then someone can restore them with sources. Furthermore in my opinion having someone mentioned by name in a "letter", or interviewed once or twice doesn't qualify as the person being notable. Except that single "letter to the Greek government" that I couldn't verify I doubt there are any other outside sources mentioning him other than he is thought by some as some kind of activist like 1,000 others in other fields.
 * Besides I doubt that there are "concerns for his safety" now, the truth of the matter is that he is a convicted criminal. It seems the concern should more appropriately now be directed to the people, even the kids, approaching that person. The claim that "he appealed to the European Court of Human Rights" is again dubious, was the appeal accepted there? Doubt that since he is now in jail. Even if it was, any non-notable person, and I do mean anybody, can appeal there.

We will have to discuss AfD, but let's hold on for a little later. My guess, AfD result: no consensus :-) Shadow mor ph  ^"^ 04:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Incoming wikilinks = only 1, the Slavic-Speakers article
 * Hits = average 5 hits/per day

Shadow mor ph ^"^ 23:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)