Talk:Nilotic peoples

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Hamitic / Semitic roots
Keep out the crap about "the semitic roots" nonsense. We don't need to resurrect 19th century Imperialist theories, please, thank you. Peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teth22 (talk • contribs)


 * I agree, and disagree. Precisely because this keeps coming back it's good to keep something about it in the article, with the modifier "traditional ethnographic literature". Rather than just omitting information that is widespread although it's falsified, it would be advisable to specifically debunk this information. &mdash; mark &#9998; 20:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Unless the author can give sources on this "tradtional ethnographic literature," I say delete the modifier, debunked or not. Kemet 13 March 2006
 * I'n not sure if I understand what you're saying. Deleting the modifier amounts to saying that members of these groups descended from 'Hamitic' or 'Semitic' roots. That theory has been discredited, as outlined for example in Hamitic. I agree that it needs sources eventually (WP:V), but it makes no sense at all to delete the modifier for the time being. I'll look around for sources, but don't expect me to fix this very soon. Others are invited to help of course. Meanwhile, I will not agree with deleting the modifier; then, the whole sentence has to go (but as I said above, it will keep coming back). &mdash; mark &#9998; 08:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Genetic research indicates that Nilotes may in fact be descendants of a very archaic African population distantly related to Khoisan. Only recently they mixed, to a limited extent, with Arabs and surrounding black Africans (or Neo-Negrids, if you want). Cartouche, 16.September 2006

"The terms Nilotic and Nilote were previously used as racial classifications, based on now widely discarded perceptions." LOL Discarded by Marxists in Western science. Now you can look at the position of Nilotic people in the global context in Tishkoff et al. 2009 - as a group equal to non-African races of Homo sapiens. 89.235.19.212 (talk) 16:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

South Sudan
I'm terrible with graphics, but given the large numbers of Nilotic peoples in the now-independent South Sudan, could someone please fix the map? Thanks :) Interlaker (talk) 00:30, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Lienhardt
The article mentions and quotes a source Lienhardt, but the source as such is not given. Can anyone provide it? Landroving Linguist (talk) 19:50, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The passage was taken from the Dinka religion page. The Lienhardt in question is Godfrey Lienhardt, author of Divinity and Experience: The Religion of the Dinka (1988). Middayexpress (talk) 20:13, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Genetics for ethnic groups RfC
For editors interested, there's an RfC currently being held: Should sections on genetics be removed from pages on ethnic groups?. As this will almost certainly result in the removal of the "genetics" section from this article, I'd encourage any contributors to voice their opinions there. -- Katan gais (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Nilotic Expansion (misleading)

 * The way the section is written, it makes it appear that the Nilotic speakers came from a far away land (invaders), when the same paragraph says the Nilotes expanded from the Sudd Marsh (center of South Sudan).


 * The article fails to mention that the South Sudanese Y-DNA points to a lineal Paleolithic native origin of the Nilotes

Haplogroup A & Haplogroup B (Paleolithic natives) was observed amongst 85% of Dinka, 83.3% of Nuer & 80% of Shilluk Tiwahi (talk) 19:24, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Nilotic People vs Linguistic grouping
There should be a clear division between the two, the Nilotic people in their ethnic grouping originate from the Suddish tribal stock, best represented by the "people known to out of Asia people as" Dinka. The Dinka & closely related tribes are up to 85% of lineal Paleolithic African stock, their lineal origin separated from the majority humans at least 50 KYA, focusing on some recent linguistic grouping that the so called "Nilotic people" don't acknowledge (opposed to national-linguistic identities that we have to acknowledge due to self-identification). The Sudd Nilotes identity is deeper than any existing bronze-age or iron-age modern identity & it has actual genetic basis, so please consider this & elaborate further on Nilotes. The lack of genetic identity in other humans, doesn't give us the right to impose psuedo-identities on populations that don't accept our cultural terms.

The linguistic influence by Nilotes on Sudanic or vice versa, doesn't make them one group that shares a recent common origin! African Americans don't share a common origin with Slavs despite a much more recent linguistic common origin Tiwahi (talk) 17:00, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Nilotic settlement in East Africa
Nilotic settlement in East Africa, which primarily has content about Southern Nilotic oral traditions, doesn't seem to have enough content to stand on its own right now, and its content may be better presented as part of Nilotic peoples. signed,Rosguill talk 23:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC) signed,Rosguill talk 23:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 14:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Messed Up Template
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"Nilotic peoples, origins and scholarly anthropology of" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Nilotic peoples, origins and scholarly anthropology of. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Afroasiatic DNA
"Unlike the paternal DNA of Nilotes, the maternal lineages of Nilotes in general show low-to-negligible amounts of Afro-Asiatic and other extraneous influences." The problem is that Afroasiatic is a language super family, not an ethnicity or dna. Today people mainly distinguish Nilotic, Somali, Yoruba/YRI and more dna. In this article, the Masai are like the Luhya, and with some ingression of Somali dna. See Fig. 2 (PLOS GENETICS) Northeast African genomic variation shaped by the continuity of indigenous groups and Eurasian migrations. 2001:1C00:1E31:5F00:1C67:F5F:CCD1:8378 (talk) 17:44, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Height
Are the height statistics given in the article the average for men only, for women only, or is it for both averaged together in roughly equal numbers? This should be clarified. Comparing it to the USA, the height given as the average for the Sudanese Shilluk (about 6ft) would be only slightly taller than the average man over here, but quite exceptionally tall for a woman. If it were the average of both sexes, it might correspond to men being 6’4” and women 5’8” on average, which would still be noticeably taller than the US average in both cases. This seems the most likely possibility, but the article should really make it clear if that was what was meant. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:4EFD (talk) 03:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * They are truly tall 41.210.159.89 (talk) 13:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

History
The plain nilotes 129.205.3.6 (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)