Talk:Nina Davuluri/Archive 1

Nina picture?
The photo of Nina Davuluri seems to be very professional and the Commons page is vague about its origins. Seems like it may have to be taken down unless more info is available. -- Fuzheado | Talk 14:08, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * added a free licensed image... ;) --Stemoc (talk) 06:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * +1 kudos Stemoc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.111.27.200 (talk) 15:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Discussion of Hyderabad
It is important to mention the distance of Vijayawada from Hyderabad the capital city of AP state. Any opinions for discussion. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:38, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Nobody is interested in distance of Vijayawada to Hyderabad in this particular article. Your source has an AP centric view, but this is an America-centric article, and mentioning the city here is enough. Everything else is completely over. --  Dravidian   Hero  14:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks for your advice, so will restore the city name without distance. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:09, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Now you spread a LIE through this article that Vijayawada is "near" Hyderabad just to keep it in. It is not even in the same region Telangana vs Seemandhra? I suggest you remove that immediately. Please accept that Hyderabad has no place here and look for greener pastures --  Dravidian   Hero  15:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The nearest city to Vijayawada is Hyderabad which is capital of AP, WHAT IS LIE IN IT? Any way I am looking some more neutral editors opinion, my purpose of including the City nearest to vijayawada district is as below.
 * As i read somewhere in WP:MOS we should not write the article in a way to insist the editors to go through the wiki-links, wikilinks are kept for the convinent if readers who want to go research or in depth details. Currently almost all the readers will quickly and curiously like to know her family roots, its necessary if we mention the nearst located metropoolitan/state capital city for instant understanding to the general readers. Hope i am clear.Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hyderabad has no significance to this article. None. She has never lived there. Her parents didn't live there. The nearest major city to where her parents lived is Vijayawada, the city where her parents lived. The article states this, and it already indicates that the city is in Andhra Pradesh, which is enough to tell readers who might be familiar with Hyderabad that it is (somewhat) near to it. There is no reason to talk here further about Vijayawada's geography. That's what the article about Vijayawada is for. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC) -Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Telugu Patronymic
I think the note about properly referring to the new Miss America by her given name, Nina, is misguided. She is American; her working language is English. As such, it would be proper to refer to here by her "last name," whether it is a family name or not. By convention in the English language, her native tongue, she should be called "Miss Davuluri," yes? Iamvered (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Agree and Support even it is common in India to refer with second name in writing irrespective of family name. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 17:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Agree She should be called Ms. Davuluri, It is not True that "Davuluri" is a patrynomic it is in fact a family name. Unlike other South Indian states people from Andhra Pradesh speaking Telugu Language have Family/Last names, myself being Telugu and from the same state as the pagent winner, know this for sure, that Davuluri cannot be a Patrynomic, it can only be a Lastname, no Hindu first name can be Davuluri, it only has to be a Telugu Lastname/Family name.2001:420:4:EA02:D531:60E:536A:A682 (talk) 18:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * People of Andhra Pradesh do not use Patronymics it is False that Davuluri is a patronymic.

2001:420:4:EA02:D531:60E:536A:A682 (talk) 18:37, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The relevant question is how does she use the name? If she uses Davuluri as a surname, then she should be referred to that way. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * She is already being refer as "Miss Davuluri" even earlier to her selection as Miss America as well as later by both Indian and American media. here, here, here etc. So what stopping to mention her as Miss Davuluri. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

The long Username knows nothing about Telugu names. Here some top Telugu film stars: S. S. Rajamouli Akkineni Nagarjuna Allu Arjun

All use typical Dravidian patronymics just like Nina. Nothing wrong in following media sources, but this is wrong information coming from simple cluelessness on their part.--  Dravidian   Hero  22:23, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This is an article based on American so better not to use the samples of Dravidian patronymics, Please dont PLAY here, above you was advocating the American style of writing article now you are giving examples of Indian styles. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 11:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Seems like people are largely in agreement, so I'm gonna be BOLD and take it out, or at least amend the notice. Iamvered (talk) 06:06, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The Note present in the article saying Davuluri is a patrynomic has no sources and is false. I have source showing it is false.

"The Telugus have unique surnames that refer to a particular group of families or community. The surnames are maintained for generations." Source : It is false that Nina Davuluri a Telugu girl from Andhra Pradesh has a patrynomic instead of Surname/Family name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchoctober (talk • contribs) 18:15, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tracing-traditional-roots-of-telugus-settled-in-tamil-nadu/article3614947.ece

I have deleted the Note on the article which claims Davuluri to be a Patrynomic, I have provided a source above to contest it. Marchoctober (talk) 18:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 September 2013
Nina Davuluri (Telugu: నీనా దావులూరి, born April 20, 1989)[1] is an American beauty pageant titleholder who was named Miss New York 2013, subsequently winning Miss America 2014. She is the first Indian American to be chosen as Miss America.[2]

HCR-MIchigan (talk) 18:50, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

The text currently says that "She is also the first Miss America winner from Upstate New York." Vannessa Williams also was Miss Syracuse so this is incorrect.

✅&mdash; goethean 19:08, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK nom
I've nominated this for DYK. See Template:Did you know nominations/Nina Davuluri. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:45, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

St. Joe, Michigan
I added specific info on where she moved to, in Michigan. I would love to find a better ref that when I've got up. Here's some others. Anyone have better?

http://953mnc.com/Admin/ArticleViewPage/tabid/66/ArticleId/24224/Miss-America-has-ties-to-Michiana.aspx http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/Former-St-Joe-Mich-resident-Miss-New-York-crowned-2014-Miss-America-223856011.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ward99 (talk • contribs) 00:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I've updated with a better source (confirms that she moved to St. Joe at age 10, and then gradated from St. Joe.Ward99 (talk) 02:45, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Religion
WSJ is claiming she is a Hindu http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/09/16/nina-davuluri-crowned-first-indian-american-miss-america/ I think this should be added in somewhere, since there seems to be some confusion about her religion on the internet. Namely that she is actually a Muslim, which is false. 50.162.1.96 (talk) 06:00, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There is an indirect reference in the Miss America backlash part.--  Dravidian   Hero  13:32, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

User:Chitrada want to add in right hand table as below, with remarks as "Amid of her Arabic mistaken identity and impacts on social media. Ref http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/16/miss-america-winner-nina-davuluri-twittter_n_3934118.html?utm_hp_ref=uk"


 * religion= Hinduism

Racism & Xenophobia
Should we mention the racist & xenophobic backlash in the lede already? I suppose it is enough if we include this piece of info under the corresponding section. I wonder why it's mentioned in the opening note of the lede section. Hari7478 (talk) 05:42, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes it does belong in the intro- it is one of the most notable re: WP:NOTE aspects of her win, something mentioned in virtually every article and every interview - and the sentence itself is referenced. The article is still in "Start" mode so of course the introduction can be developed with more information but there is no reason to exclude this information. -Classicfilms (talk) 14:51, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, alright. Hari7478 (talk) 21:02, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That stuck out like a sore thumb to me, too. What doesn't get racist comments on social media? A bit undue. Wikipedia should mirror newspapers' facts, but not their style and focus. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:17, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * This is not an example of WP:UNDUE. Wikipedia articles are developed based on Notability. Virtually all sources about her win mentions this point (and it has become a part of her notability) so it is fair game for the introduction. The article is still in start mode and the introduction could certainly be developed with more material but there is no reason under Wikipedia's set of guidelines to remove this information. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:30, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The topic also relates to her platform of "cultural competency" and comes up every time she speaks, thus highlighting Notability.-Classicfilms (talk) 17:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Still seems weird (attributing a subject's notability to the tweets of people she's never met), but I'll defer to you two. You know more of the situation than I do. I'd never heard of her. Just on Miss America 2014 for a Miss South Carolina answer, and checked the winner on a whim. Got more than I expected. For what it's worth (I'm not American), she seems acceptable to me. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:43, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Watch anyone of these videos to see the trajectory of the story which has become a part of contemporary American cultural history:

ABC News
 * Groundbreaking Miss America Winner Miss New York Takes Home Pageant Crown
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbAW-iIxe1M&list=PLfR3JsjKzC8TmyxFsKYBfaXw1afB-ta0A

ABC News
 * After Defending Miss America From Racial Comments, George Takei Meets Nina Davuluri For First Time (Star Trek's Sulu)
 * http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/video/defending-miss-america-racial-comments-george-takei-meets-20296663

Bloomberg News
 * Miss America 2014: How I Survived the Hate
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewqFlg4h-oc


 * -Classicfilms (talk) 06:31, 15 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but no thanks. I'll just trust you on the way it is. I prefer the dust to settle on my history first, and still pretend I live in a world so far away where Still Frame is on the actual air, and the 1.0 Internet is too weak and powerless to propagate appropriate slurs for a Greek German Russian Welsh Native American black woman. The future is yours! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:16, 15 March 2014 (UTC)