Talk:Nineteen Eighty-Four

Claude Rozenhof
I have searched for this name and can't find it anywhere except this Wikipedia article and other references to the same exact quote. Is this a real source? 130.44.175.166 (talk) 21:11, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


 * This is really strange, but I have to agree with 130.44.175.166. There's no evidence of the author or the source's existence, so this isn't WP:VERIFIABLE. Dan Bloch (talk) 22:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Removed. Dan Bloch (talk) 02:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The quote was added by an IP editor here. At broadly the same time they also added similar bulk quotes to Robert Heinlin's article here and A Time to Kill (Grisham novel) here.  The Sanchez quote was removed here by an editor expressing the exact same concerns as on this page, and I've just now removed the Heinlin block.  The IP in question has not been active since these additions (Feb 2021) so I see no need to warn them over what seem to be intentional hoaxes.  Good spot by IP 130.44 - thanks.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Questionable YouTube clip
I'm surprised about User:Drbogdan's addition of and external link to a YouTube clip which is much more than an "Updated Summary". It's a tendentious piece of pamphleteering, bordering on conspiracy theory, that uses the book as a hook for its ideas. Admittedly, there is a fair bit of summation in the clip, but it doesn't take 50 minutes to summarize the novel – it's in large part the personal musings of a crusader. I suggest to remove that clip from this article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:12, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * (and others) - ✅ - Thank You for your comments - and suggestion - yes - *entirely* agree - the video (ie, "USA (2023) – Updated Summary of 1984 (video; 50:03)") could be better, and has been removed from the external link section - Thanks again for your comments and all - and - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 14:40, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Me and the Big Guy
Kenixkil (talk) 19:19, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a parody of 1984 that should be in the infobox on the bottom of the page.
 * https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0192299/plotsummary/

Misunderstanding
I think the description of the book on here and in popular culture isn't accurate and I can hopefully prove this with the book as my source. The government in the book isn't some all-powerful regime but instead a dying regime that became addicted to surveillance and repression of its own members to the point where the people who could've saved it were instead turned against it. The evidence for this is the description of chocolate and cigarettes which are both portrayed as being cheapened or reduced compared to previous times. A totalitarian government wouldn't be cutting the supplies of those 2 things unless it had to since chocolate and cigarettes are one of the few remaining creature comforts available to the working class. This means that the regime is failing. Another thing to keep in mind is that the repression was mainly targeted at party members and not the 'proles' who were generally left alone. This means that the intent of the book is not to warn the working class of the dangers of totalitarian governments but rather to tell people who would support totalitarianism that such a system will end up collapsing as it fails to function and ends up turning on the few honest people who could've saved it. The only thing the government was good at was catching disloyal government employees and it relied on this ability so much that it ended up getting rid of the people who could've saved it. I think people are misunderstanding the target audience. 2604:2D80:6305:600:587E:9E83:FCFC:9CC3 (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "I can hopefully prove this with the book as my source." You can not. Wikipedia articles require reliable third-party sources, not primary sources. Dimadick (talk) 09:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)