Talk:Nintendo/Archive 2

Nintendo: Get games
What's with that picture, get rid of it.--60.226.28.216 01:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Just a troll who likes to get some attention. Next time you see that picture, revert it to the right version. Remember to refresh your cache a couple of times (CTRL+F5 should work) because you may revert an image and yet get the old one due cache. -- ReyBrujo 02:27, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Nintendo before Games
I have heard that Nintendo used to run so called "love hotels" in Japan before they completely changed to the gaming front. If anyone who can confirm this or has more information on the matter would update the article concerning it, it would be much appreciated. Thanks.


 * It's mentioned in the article. --Snkcube 07:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Featured Articles
What are the odds of this to become a featured article? Because the French one (with less, less, MUCH less information) already is...igordebraga ≠ 16:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)(if you want to start... )
 * Does the French Wikipédia have lower standards for Articles de qualité or something? I don't really understand much French so I didn't bother looking at the content. Whatever the case I think we should wait for some feedback on this before deciding to submit it for Peer Review. --Optichan 18:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Seattle Mariners
I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that Nintendo was INTENDING to buy the Mariners, but in the end never did.
 * I think you are. Andre ( talk ) 00:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hiroshi Yamauchi is a shareholder of them if that's what you mean...
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Mariners#Quick_facts --Anthony 02:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually didn't Nintendo announce that they owned the majority of stock since Hiroshi Yamauchi gave his stock to Nintendo Jedi6 05:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

International Superstar Soccer 2
International Superstar Soccer 2 for the GameCube was released at launch in Europe. See these links: So I've put it back into the article. Mushroom 07:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Amazon
 * GameFaqs

Number of employees
According to the infobox, nintendo has "approx. 2,977" employees. Does anyone have a source for this? I can't help but feel that the company must have many more employees. Sega has 10,760. Sony 151,400. Jacoplane 13:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Nintendo. K1Bond007 23:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Microsoft/Sony lose money?
...whilst both Sony and Microsoft are losing money from every console they sell, Nintendo makes a profit from every GameCube sold.

I have looked up this quote and found no information supporting it. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.172.27.176 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * It is in one issue of the Nintendo Official Magazine in the UK... still may or may not be true --Tyranic Moron 14:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Nintendo does not release that information. However, in this coming generation Microsoft is expected to lose around USD 125 per console, while Sony is expected to lose USD 100. Developers said they believe Nintendo could release Revolution at USD 99 and still earn money. A study found each Game Boy Micro could be made with USD 45, and they are selling it for over the double. I will find the links to back what I am saying up later, right now at work with little spare time.
 * Of course, Nintendo has great first party support, and could make up hardware losses much faster than any other manufacturer. -- ReyBrujo 17:59, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * A source to this claim - http://nintendoinsider.com/site/EEEZuAypVuTuOJPzyb.php Anthony 19:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Just because Nintendo insider said that Does NOT mean that it is true. They make that stuff up for profit purposes. plus! HOW COULD NINTENDO CONFIRM SONYS PROFITS ON A SONY CONSOLE! If they lost money for every console they wouldnt sell them cause they would go bankrupt! Wikipeedio 19:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * They make up the money from software, licensing and just the vast bulk of hardware they sell. Jedi6  -(need help?)  19:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I have heard this many time from the video gaming media, as far as I know it's widely believed to be true. EvilRedEye 18:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

"Monkey Kong"
"It may be interesting to note for Nintendo fans that the name of "Donkey Kong" was originally intended to read "Monkey Kong", but was changed due to a typing error. However the newer and catchier, (if somewhat innacurate!) name was preffered, as it made the product stand out more, and so was kept."

According to snopes, this is a false rumor - or at least not verified. So I'm reverting the edit. http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/donkeykong.asp

Jeremyh 22:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Miyamoto has said himself that he in fact found the word "donkey" in a dictionary and found it sounded funny and named Donkey Kong after that. /Grillo 14:33, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well... yes and no. The original title for Donkey Kong was "Stupid Monkey", which translates right to "Donkey Kong"... Daniel Davis 16:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, Miyamoto wanted it to be "Stubboirn Gorrila", and that's basically what it is in latin. User: Shadow El 19:06, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Latin? What are you talking about? He found the "Stupid Monkey" thing in a Manuke Japanese to English dictionary. ::::http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/mario_history.shtml

Daniel Davis 00:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

BBC: Inside Nintendo
There's a video up on Google Video from the BBC called Inside Nintendo. It might be worth adding it to the external links. Jacoplane 22:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The video is alright, but I feel it's sort of misleading. The whole seizure part was not that great either. --Snkcube 06:48, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Lisence Agreement for every playing
Can we add a section on Nintendo's policy of adding a License Agreement displayed at the beginning of recent games? --Aussie Evil 21:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I archived some stuff
I archived all of the old discussions. If anyone has a problem with that, just go to my talk page and say so.--Ac1983fan 00:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Revolution DVD confusion
The Revolution is confirmed to be able to play DVDs out-of-the-box, but an additionally purchased dongle is required to enable this feature. Erm, issue here. If it can play DVDs out-of-box, it shouldn't need a dongle. Can anyone point to the article this came from and clarify this?--Jess 04:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the X-Box needed a remote to enable the feature, unless you modded the box, in which case you could just use the regular controller. --Xeccos 01:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Repairs on old consoles?
I have heard that Nintendo will no longer repair old consoles, as was promised when people bought them. (meaning the NES, SNES and Nintendo 64) Perhaps something in the policy section should mention this fact, if it is a fact. (if it's actually true) --  NERD42 [mailto:nerd42@gmail.com EMAIL ]  TALK  H2G2 UNCYC NEWS   18:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't bother unless you can find a source. I haven't heard anything to that effect, and I'm fairly sure Nintendo's "lifetime warranties" are legally binding, so I doubt it's true. You've got to be careful with the next-gen news; Nintendo's secrecy breeds rumor mongering.--Jess 03:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Handheld systems
Why was the section on Handheld Systems completely removed? I think it is good info to have in this article.

EndlessMike 13:52, 14 February 2006 (UTC)EndlessMike


 * The section was wiped out by a vandal who replaced it with "XBox is the best!". I've since restored the section, along with someone's insertion of a strange "words punned off of Nintendo" line. Daniel Davis 14:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC) (Doom127)

Financial loss
I remeber there bieng said nintendo made a finacial loss, with about 21% fall in profit made from previous years. Why is there no reference. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.134.184.235 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * It's pretty hard to lose money when you are selling everything at a profit. Even more so in the area that is bringing in the most money overall.  Throw in the fact that Nintendo has only lost money one time since going public...  I suppose that one time *could* have been because of the GameBoy, but history really says otherwise.--Anthony 11:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It wasn't the GameBoy. Nintendo's first loss ever came about (according to the company) because of slow GameCube sales and "currency swings". That year (2003) only saw cube sales of 890,000 Cube units in the first quarter. The GameBoy line, on the other hand, saw massive increases of sales, from around 6 million to about 8 million or so during that time. Indeed, some say that it was the GameBoy line that enabled Nintendo to do at least as well as it did. This link will give you more information regarding it. Daniel Davis 01:13, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually it was Q3 I believe. Nintendo's immediate response was to lower the Gamecube's price and introduce the Legend of Zelda collection so they went back up Q4. Jedi6 04:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You didn't follow the link, did you? :P From the article: "This morning, in an AP Financial article, it was revealed that Nintendo has suffered a $26.7 million loss in the first half of this fiscal year." Daniel Davis 06:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually I read it to quick! Jedi6 06:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

After Revolution
I'm the english teacher of a high level developer at Nintendo and I've been trying to get infomation from him about the product they will release after the Revolution. All I know is that it will be a complete human-to-machine interface. Obviously focusing on entertainment. Simplicity and elegance will take priority over graphics and extra features. I should also mention that he's very very excited about touch screens. I'm envisioning something like on Minority Report. So this begs the question, should this info be added to the main page?
 * No. You don't have an official source. Also why would a high level Nintendo developer have an english teacher? Also Nintendo themselves have barely began to think of next-gen. let alone having developers knowing about it. Jedi6 02:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to take a position on this one way or the other... But game companies do infact start thinking about their next systems right after the release of their current system - If not before the release.  It wouldn't be far fetched to believe Nintendo is thinking about their next console after the Revolution.--Anthony 04:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes they begin thinking about it but not in any matter described by the anonymous person. Jedi6 04:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * First, sorry about being anonymous, I just plain forgot. Second, I didn't actually describe how they are thinking about it so I'm not sure which part you're refuting. Why would he have an english teacher? Because he is absolutely loaded and 99.99% of those loaded in Japan learn english. At the moment it is just a collection of schematic hardware designs inside their computers (Intel Macs running a custom Linux OS if you're interested). When I asked if he has played the DS lite much he said "It is soon ancient". Kansaikiwi 05:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You still need a source, not just word of mouth. Jedi6 05:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * There are some major flaws in this story. First off, in Japanese culture being bilingual from an early age is a fact of life. Any "high level" developer at a corporation would have already completed the requisite English language courses years ago, and wouldn't be relying on "an english teacher". Secondly, even if this developer individual did have "an english teacher", they most CERTAINLY wouldn't be blabbling company trade secrets (such as future plans) to them. NDA agreements that each and every single employee of NOA and NCL sign when they first join the company ensure that swift and speedy termination follow a loose tongue. To have become a "high level" developer and not be able to follow an NDA agreement is something nigh impossible. Continuing on that- Intel Macintoshes? Running Linux? Doing hardware designs? Uh uh, sorry- any real design schematic work is going to be done using major workstations, not Macs- they have even less of a following in Japan than they do in the US. This story, while nicely whimsical, isn't based anywhere near the realm of fact. Daniel Davis 06:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well what can I say, I thought I could put out a bit of info I got out of someone but it seems nobody believes me, so whatever. Wasn't trying to sound cool or anything like that. Thought it might spark a bit of interest but I've obviously misjuged this "community". All I can say is I put the truth down as I heard it (I should've mentioned the guy's english is quite poor), he was genuinely excited about their new Macs but you're probably right about the hardware design being done on workstations. As for the secrecy, he does refuse to answer 99% of my questions. It would be nice if the admins left this thread here in the future to see what actually happens. One more thing, "Japanese culture being bilingual from an early age is a fact of life" ?!?. I've lived here for a while now and I assure you this is in no way the case, the average under 30 can read, usually write (poorly) and sometimes speak (poorly) This guy's at least 50 so what he can do is quite rare for his age. Have a google about the state of english education in the schools here (and 40 years ago), it'll change your impression easier than I (apparently) can. All I'm left wondering is whether this negative shoot-down-the-idiot attitude is promoted by the Wikipedia administration. Kansaikiwi 08:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * "Well what can I say"- Something honest, perhaps? Such as who you really are (probably a 14 year old kid from Toledo Ohio or somewhere trying to impress people). The very fact that you CONTINUE your lie, and even try to assert some knowledge about the Japanese public education system digs your hole even further. I'll have you know that as a rule all Japanese children that go through the school system in that nation learn both Japanese and English as basic courses- none of this "quite rare for his age" junk, even amongst Burakumin. In fact, in many ways Japan's school system is one of the highest rated, providing ample time for not only the basic courses, but also music, artistic exploration, class trips and cultural festivals. On top of this, if a student needs more education, they can always enroll in a Juku. In other words- you have no idea what you're talking about. Daniel Davis 13:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL, wow Japanese words, you must be right, haha. Have it your way then mate, and good luck with life. Good night. Kansaikiwi 13:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Anime?
Anime - that's wonderful for Nintendo, but is it a neccessary piece of information? It has its entire section in the article, but it's only one line.... and is there a source for it? Any reference? -- N omader Talk 02:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * All that is known is that they are going to make an anime based on an old Japanese poem. Jedi6  -(need help?)  02:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for clearing that up. Just a bit curious as to what it was. I'm still not sure if it's neccessary, but I don't see any harm in leaving it. --NomaderTalk 02:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo World Expansion?
I find it silly how they're going to open stores mostly just in the New England area. They should just open stores in Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston. Who agrees? Alexzero77 01:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Alexzero77
 * While for a company like Nintendo it would be possible to just open stores in major (US?) cities it tends to be a better idea to get a strangle hold on a certain area and then expand from those markets. With enough patience (and the right starting area) this is much more effective.--Anthony 04:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * At least put one in each state...--AW Anthrax 20:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion?
Speedy Deletion? I think that someone's not a Nintendo fan.Ixistant 21:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

My revert
There were alot of things wrong that I reverted. Jedi6 -(need help?)  04:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) A comment was added that stated that Microsoft made up their money which is false.
 * 2) THe comment that Square was forced to make Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles is unrefernced and false
 * 3) The Nintendo Revolution section had excess info that is not needed but belows on the Revolution page and added comments like "Hurray!"
 * 4) The only other edits were pointless or wrong, (like saying the DS is a gameboy).


 * Hi Jedi- There are some incorrect things that Jean-Luc Picard added. However, I do know that MS and Sony do use the software thing as their strategy, and I know that Nintendo used Crystal Chronicles as a requirement for Square to do GBA stuff. Jean-Luc's "hurray" is POV of course, and the DS isn't a GameBoy. Daniel Davis 04:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I fixed the MS and Sony thing. But we probably need a reference before we add the Square Enix thing. Jedi6  -(need help?)  04:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I know that Crystal Chronicles was a requirement for Square to return to Nintendo, but I personally don't have any proof of it, so I've omitted it from the article. Now play nice you guys, stop just reverting each other. Some of the back and forths here are just silly. Daniel Davis

Who made you judge jury and executioner Jedi6? You have no sense of sponetaity with these kind of things, just reverting and reverting. And you are just as bad doom127. Jean-Luc Picard 05:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait huh? I agree with how the article is now and don't plan to revert. The only things that were removed from your edits was unreferenced info. and personal comments like Hurray. Just a warning, if you try to add those back it is going to count as vandalism. Jedi6  -(need help?)  05:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I see how it is now huh. I'll keep in mind your attitude, meany pants. No fun at all. Jean-Luc Picard 05:13, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Jean Luc, Jedi6 is a respected and well behaved member of Wikipedia. You would be wise to bear in mind that. Heck, the guy is a hop, skip and a jump away from an admin nomination, and he's been entirely respectful in this issue. Don't push things. Daniel Davis 05:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

The software thing should just be removed or at the very least revised. It doesn't conflict with Nintendo's strategy. They all do this - sell their system at a loss and make it up in software - it just so happens the GameCube was much more affordable this time around. K1Bond007 06:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it looks fine, could you be more specific? Jedi6  -(need help?)  06:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think K1Bond07 was saying that traditionally, Nintendo, like Sony and Microsoft, has sold its consoles at a loss. However, I think that the n64 was not sold for a loss, and the fact that the Revolution will not be including expensive features like Blueray or HD support would suggest that they are trying to keep the hardware profitable in this generation as well. So I think that it is fair for the article to point out the distinction between Nintendo and other console manufacturers in this regard.  jaco  plane  07:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok I get it now. Jedi6  -(need help?)  07:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Gyration
Didn't IGN have a news article or feature about this once. Can anyone find it? Jedi6 -(need help?)  03:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Equity Investment, yo. They bought a bunch of Gyro's stock to bail em out back in 01. Got a link here, man. []


 * But they don't own the company, Thomson SA acquired majority ownership of the company in 2004 [], whether they bought Nintendo's stock to do so is unknown since the amount of stock Nintendo bought was never really disclosed to the public.


 * You're kidding, right? Do you know anything about how a public company works? Your link says that Thompson bought the company's actual workings themselves. It says absolutely nothing about the stock ownership, which encompasses the shareholders (which is what majority ownership entails). Buying a company itself doesn't imply majority ownership in stock- Stockholders and the actual company ownership itself are different things. That's why it's called a "public owned" company, as opposed to a private company.


 * It was a reverse triangular merger.


 * I'm going to say that I don't have much experience with stocks and bonds and only the vaguest idea of what a "reverse triangular merger" is (besides it being a merger where the parent stock becomes the subsidiary stock). What I do know is this- the majority ownership thing isn't in the article anymore, so whatever argument you two are having, settle it somewhere else. This talk section isn't for endless back-and-forthing about semantical term arguments. Daniel Davis 21:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Translation
Exactly how accurate is the translation of Nintendo shown on the front page? I personally have translated it as "Endure, Heaven('s), Way". Nintendo Power has claimed several times that it means something along the lines of "We do the best we can, any way that we can" or something like that. Is this just another example of Japanese words or phrases being translated different by different sources, or is there actually one accurate translation and the others are rubbish? The S 02:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The name means "leave it up to heaven". Daniel Davis 02:25, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't believe Nintendo Power, they were joking. Jedi6  -(need help?)  02:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I could have sworn I read somewhere that Nintendo meant "in lucks hands" --Xeccos 01:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The name means "Leave luck to the heavens" per David Sheff's "Game Over" --JamesBenjamin

Nintendo Third Party
Anyone think the Third Party companies should be put back under this article? I think it's a good idea to keep it here.

I AGREE. I KNOW ITS WEARING IT DOWN.

Nintendo Wii
I updated all refrences to the revolution with the offical name Wii. DevAnubis 17:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Updated the Arcade Games
I saw that a lot of the Arcade games were missing from the arcade section so I added them. Thanks to Gamespy's planet sites for the info.

N64 section is POV
All 3D games based on Mario 64?! Goldeneye starting a new trend in FPS gaming?!

These statments are riduclous, they are just as ridiculous when thinly veiled.Bowen 03:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

The mario ones stupid, but Goldeneye is often attributed with being the first big FPS game on consoles. (Koolsen 21:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC))


 * By whom? There were a massive number of "big FPS" games on consoles well before Goldeneye, such as Doom, Wolfenstein, Spectre, Descent and BattleZone to name just a few. --[[Image:Tinyducksig.jpg|20px]] Daniel Davis 21:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

No no you dont get it. Its the first truly SUCCESFUL FPS on home consoles. Before FPSs had been largely thought of as a PC only thing. Goldeneye brought a solid working FPSs to a console.


 * No, YOU are the one who "doesn't get it". It was by no means "the first truly successful" FPS on home consoles; to say such a thing is absolutely, positively ridiculous. SNES Doom, Quake and Quake II, Spectre, Descent, Quake... --[[Image:Tinyducksig.jpg|20px]] Daniel Davis 06:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think that was what was meant in the article - or the intention at the least. While those games you listed are probably successful in their own right, all of them pale in comparison to GoldenEye 007 which, I believe, is the #1 selling FPS on a console of all time - maybe even counting the PC; Half-Life is the only one I'm aware of that is up and around the 8 million mark. The ones you listed don't even make the list as far as consoles are concerned (and GE also came out before Quake II, FYI). GE is often credited with being the one to bring mass appeal of FPS to consoles. That part is true, although I'm sure one could make a good argument that it was inevitable given the rise of 3D gaming at the time. K1Bond007 06:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In any case I think it's safe to say that Goldeneye was the first successful console FPS that was not a port of a PC game. jaco ♫ plane  07:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Which would, of course, be culling it down as to have almost little to no meaning at all. Like saying "Joe Mushpoff is the first person to... jump a rope! And then adding under one's breath "while holding a banana, two pears and a small pug in his backpack". GoldenEye did NOT bring "Mass appeal of FPS" to consoles, and saying they "pale in comparison" is absolutely POV. It would be like saying that "RPGs didn't exist before Final Fantasy VII" just because they hadn't passed a certain sales mark. --[[Image:Tinyducksig.jpg|20px]] Daniel Davis 02:01, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Remove N64 from 'recent home consoles'
At some point I think we should think about removing the N64 section from the 'recent home consoles' section. Maybe when the Wii is released. Pelago 13:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOTABLE AND OFFICIAL FRANCHISES
YOU SHOULD LIST ALL OF NINTENDOS OWNED FRANCHIES AND MAKE THEM SEPERATE FROM NOTABLE FRANCHIES. THAT WAY WE KNOW ALL OF NINTENDOS OFFICIAL CHARACTERS LIKE IN SUPER SMASH BROS. FROM ONES THAT JUST MADE SOME APPEARENCES ON THEIR CONSOLES.

Um, my bad
I was told that I should discuss changes here before I make them. I just went along and made several changes (fixed up some grammar, filled some gaps, added some new info and put new headers in the History section) 68.53.114.3


 * Right, well whoever told you that is wrong. Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. May I encourage you to be bold about editing in future? If you see a mistake - just click edit and fix it. If you have information to add - just add it. You don't need anyone's permission to edit this article, and anyone who exerts any kind of editorial control over it needs to be spoken to. Rob Church (talk) 20:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

well could you put back my alterations(other than the history headers)? that was a lot of work and i don't feel like re-doing it

Edited Anime
I decided to edit the anime section. Recently Nintendo stated that they are making an anime for Animal Crossing.68.211.24.154 21:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)