Talk:Nintendo 3DS system software/Archive 1

Nitendo Video
Write about nintenmdo Video app. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArgGeo (talk • contribs) 12:09, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What exactly are you getting at here? Sergecross73   msg me   20:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

November 2011 Update
I thought the November update came out in all regions on 11/4/2011.--Thejfh1999 (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Details about the updates were apparently released on November 4th. The update is scheduled for late November--The Ultimate Koopa (talk) 00:30, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The big update list in addition to the table
Is the big list above the table that details parts of every update all that necessary? (Granted, I suspect it's the target of the list tag at the top) --Thunderbird8 (talk) 10:08, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

We really don't need the list. The table works just fine. --Preceding signed comment added by The Beninator (talk) 01:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC) 01:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Is it wrong to assume that the update will be available everywhere on the same day?
That is, for example, Europe gets it on November 30th -- is it wrong to assume that Japan, US, and Australia will also get it then?--The Ultimate Koopa (talk) 02:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

New update?
There are ZERO sources for the information regarding this supposed future update, I believe it should be taken down until proper sources can be found. 71.83.106.226 (talk) 01:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, I've been trying to revert that one very persistent IP's edits. Apparently that update is always just around the corner, eh? 76.16.242.1 (talk) 04:52, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the only one of the listed future updates I have herd of is the "Ability to access Nintendo eShop account from other internet enabled devices including computers and smartphones. This system update will allow users to take pictures of QR codes with the 3DS from the other device’s screen to redeem purchased content." here's a source, http://ds.ign.com/articles/121/1210923p1.html I will add it as soon as I can. Nivlak7 (talk) 20:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Europe Farming Simulator 2012 3D Demo
Can somebodey please post this for me April 5th it came out on Europe eshop A Candela (talk) 23:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Demo list
I'm not sure what the list of demos has to do with the 3DS system software in general. Is there a better place for it? --Thunderbird8 (talk) 02:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, plenty of other places ... ran into the same problem at Xbox 360 system software, where people were adding all the apps for Netflix, Hulu, etc. -- McDoob  AU  93  13:29, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Too much irrelevant info
Removed a lot of stuff because the info had nothing to do with the menu but more regarding the eShop. --The World&#39;s Greatest Detective (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

"Blocks some flash cartridges"
This note is in almost every version noted here...does it really need to be stated that many times? Obviously it's a given that Nintendo would want to block flash cartridges, but IMO, it'd make a lot more sense to put that bit in a general area instead of a note in almost every single version. --Thunderbird8 (talk) 06:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Been wondering about that myself. I have no objections. -- McDoob  AU  93  07:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

written from scratch or based on existing OS
Forgive my asking, but the operating system written from scratch or is it based on some existing operating system? E.g. PlayStation 4 system software is based on FreeBSD 9.0 User:ScotXW t@lk 18:03, 26 June 2014 (UTC)


 * 3dbrew.org might have some answers. I'll go check it out when I've got the time.-- Arkhandar ( Talk • Contribs ) 18:25, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

New3DS specific updates in 9.3
I'm doubt the amiibo thing is Japan only (have no idea on the NFC card thing). Nintendo Australia (the other area that has the New 3DS) hasn't updated their update notes for the New 3DS yet though, so it's hard to tell for sure. --Thunderbird8 (talk) 08:31, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And now that the Australian website was updated (not sure when, I only saw it now), it's definitely clear that the amiibo settings isn't Japan exclusive. No mention was made of the NFC cards, so I've left that in the Japan only section. --Thunderbird8 (talk) 08:20, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Article for deletion
Note that articles regarding "system software" of various game consoles such as this one is currently nominated for deletion. The reason for deletion by the nominator is WP:NOTCHANGELOG. If you have any opinion, please go to Articles for deletion/Xbox One system software and discuss it, thanks! --Cartakes (talk) 12:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

About that update history
If there is a compelling and encyclopedic need to include details about past versions of the system software, could we limit it to important and/or noteworthy details? Wikipedia is not the place for complete version histories (but anyone can feel free to start your own wiki for that purpose!). —67.14.236.50 (talk) 04:09, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion. I think it's fine for me. --Cartakes (talk) 11:34, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Since there’s some resistance to simply blanking the section for the time being, I’ve just done some cleanup, mainly removing non-notable entries that had only generic template messages. I’ve also flagged it as being largely copied from primary sources. We need some content from third-party sources in this section, or it has to go. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 06:22, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No justification has been given for keeping the section since I first posted here, and it’s chock full of copyright violations of questionable encyclopedic value, so I’ve removed it again. If there’s any reason to keep it, please join in the discussion here. Thanks. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:31, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

No one has posted here in support of this section. The entire section contains exactly one third-party source for an item that would better fit in Pokémon Rumble. We’re doing everything here that WP:NOTCHANGELOG says not to do. If there is any reason to keep any of it—a reason that isn’t WP:ITSUSEFUL—then please post here, on this Talk page, explaining why. Because the way I see it, this removal is entirely non-controversial. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 03:38, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know how this talk page works but I do know you guys have deleted the only useful feature of this page by getting rid of the firmware changes. I had this bookmarked for some time now as a great resource, but now I have no reason to ever look at it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.237.136 (talk) 11:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Something like the Nintendo 3DS Wikia might be a better resource for such information, if their rules allow it. You could probably even copy over the update logs from an old version of this article, as long as you cite Wikipedia as the source. But if I may ask, how exactly did you find such a list useful? No one who claims it’s useful ever says what it’s useful for. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 03:44, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm having a hard time believing you can't understand what I'm looking for in a list of firmware changes, but here goes: Firmware changes. I like to know what changes are being made to a device I own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.237.136 (talk) 07:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, why is that useful to you? More significantly, why should a full listing be considered encyclopedic, particularly if these changes aren’t discussed in any other reliable sources? —67.14.236.50 (talk) 04:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

The wikia you refered is outdated and point 4 of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information corroborates the use of a software update log, so the points being made here are invalid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.245.213.40 (talk) 07:16, 9 September 2015‎
 * Then update that wiki. And NOTCHANGELOG says to use third-party sources to describe updates, and to use common sense regarding the level of detail; the changelogs here do neither, documenting every minor change in every minor version and citing nothing but primary sources. It says not to do exactly what this article has done. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 12:15, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's now been 18 days since that list was removed, and not a single edit has been done to that wikia wiki you suggest should be edited instead. That wikia page is outdated to the point of not being usable. And that's no surprise - wikia has a crap design full of shitty ads. You have to acknowledge that the exposure that wikipedia provides encourages people to always keep things updated, something that some random wiki doesn't give. By deleting such data from wikipedia for some small-minded petty reason, you are effectively making the world a little bit of a worse place. I hope you all reflect what you have done. The wikipedia community should allow a place for such valuable aggregated data, be it at the wikipedia.org domain, at some wikidata sub-project or somewhere else. We could channel all that enthusiastic willingness to put in work for something good instead of of just blocking it. Let me rephrase that: There are people happy to work for free, and you're basically giving them the finger. Don't do that. Bonomont (talk) 13:48, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * In that same spirit, you have not made a single edit to that Wikia wiki, and you are letting it remain outdated. Finger-pointing aside, if no one else is willing and able, I’d be happy to transplant the tables to a new or existing wiki. Because you’re right—that’s a resource that should exist somewhere. Wikipedia just is WP:NOT that place. I’m not sure Wikidata is, either. Please feel free to argue that I’m wrong, if you have logical arguments to go along with that passion (and watch out for WP:Arguments to avoid), but please also keep personal attacks out of it. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 22:44, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, look, again, wikia is a shitty place because of its bad design and ads, and likely also because of it's most important mission is to make money, instead of caring for the betterment of humanity. Therefore wikia is no option, so curb your finger-pointing. Now, what I'm suggesting is we create another place were this information is welcome and cared for at a site that welcomes our time and taste. I'm positive that this talk page is the wrong place to discuss such a far-reaching suggestion. Could somebody point me to the right place for such a discussion? Thanks! Bonomont (talk) 08:25, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, does not maintain exhaustive lists of change logs, as specifically delineated at "What Wikipedia is not". Exhaustive lists of minutiae, like change logs, are outside the scope of an encyclopedia. Now, we already had a discussion at "articles for deletion" (linked at the top of this page), but if you want to discuss what you feel Wikipedia should be, the place to start is the talk page of "What Wikipedia is not". Anyone is free to take content dumped here and move it somewhere else (Wikia) under the Creative Commons license, but no one is obligated. If a page of changelogs is built somewhere else, surely it will become the top hit for the content the same way this page once was. In any event, feel free to fork your own Wikipedia, but your interest is outside the bounds of maintaining this one article. – czar   14:02, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Private conversations with like-minded website creators seems the most likely place for this discussion, to me. Or forums. But this question is well out of scope for this Talk page, and for Wikipedia in general—unless I misunderstand, you’re asking for the creation of something outside of Wikipedia. So all I have left to say here on this topic is to wish you luck. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 05:53, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You're wrong. You're citing the rules of wikipedia, but I'm talking about the bigger construct wikimedia. One of the project that is inside the wikimedia umbrella but not governed by the "no indiscriminate info collection" rule of wikipedia is wikidata. Look at it - it's exactly that "info collection in many baskets" that we're looking for. So there is indeed some mental space inside the foundation where we do things similar to what you just deleted and I propose we keep. All I was asking here is to provide me with a pointer where this discussion could be held. But don't fret, I'll find it myself. Goodbye, rule abiding collectivists! :-) Bonomont (talk) 08:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * (Moved from near the top of this section —67.14.236.50 (talk) 03:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)) Agree you have removed the reason I visited this page. If you are going to have an article about the operating system of a games console, I don't see the problem with including the changelog.  What is or isn't traditional encyclopedic content doesn't matter, if it's useful and relevant why not let it stay.  Wikipedia was (and still is for some terms) the top link on Google for people looking for this information, but now they don't get what they were looking for due to some random editors deciding they don't like it. 93.187.0.146 (talk) 22:04, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I suggest you take this up at WT:NOT, or perhaps WP:VPP. Wikipedia policies are best discussed at policy discussion pages, rather than the pages devoted to improving a single article. As yet, no one has actually made any kind of complaint or proposal about this at either place. But feel free to do so yourself. To your specific points on this table in this article: If it were relevant, it’s reasonable to assume we’d have multiple sources discussing its relevance, or at least multiple sources discussing it at all. Instead, all we had was Nintendo discussing its own product for owners of that product. This wasn’t a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT; this was a case of an article doing precisely what our rules say not to do. An encyclopedia (including this one) isn’t a collection of everything that someone might one day find useful. And it shouldn’t be. If you disagree, again, please feel free to discuss it in an appropriate venue. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 03:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I just came here to read about the latest updates (like I was used to for the last few years), but sadly had to see that the table is gone. Doesn't an encyclopedia cover the history of the described subjects anymore? I agree that not every single bugfix update needs to be listed individually, but at least all the major versions plus the latest three updates should be OK, IMHO. --2003:63:2F17:B000:DD02:7754:BB5D:5965 (talk) 09:38, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If you can find secondary sources that cover the update history. But none have been offered, so we kinda can’t. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 12:06, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused about the requirement for 3rd party sources on software updates. On any closed source software like this the only source can be the primary. Any 3rd party source we could use would also use the primary as their source. This will be true for any closed source software. Stargun1000 (talk) 08:08, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * “Third-party source” is basically another way to say “secondary source.” But I think the idea is that we don’t want to just use Nintendo’s list of stuff they did; we want other people’s reactions to the stuff Nintendo did. This is more a question for WP:NOT, though. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Cleanup
Next steps for this article include removing the unsourced sections or sections sourced entirely to primary/unreliable sources. There should be a secondary source basis for each section. Many of the sections could adequately be explained through a single sentence. There's a lot of minutiae to trim about 60 folder limits, etc.—we're an encyclopedia, we give a broad overview. From the sources I see, we should aspire to chop this down to something useful and merge it into Nintendo 3DS line, where it can be covered adequately and in context of the multiple units that use the software. – czar   13:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I’ve started a discussion at the help desk which may be relevant to recent changes to this article: WP:Help desk. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 01:59, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * And then a village pump discussion about what WP:NOTCHANGELOG says and should say. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 01:36, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

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Something wrong with the date
The latest version is 11.1.0-34 that was released September 12th, 2016, 5 days ago, yet the date says that it was released 2 days ago? 85.74.80.201 (talk) 16:33, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Working state of the firmware
Is the firmware itself discontinued or just the production of the system? Malek79i (talk) 15:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)